Guns of November?

31 October 2008 by Mike Gogulski
Posted in guns, politics, war | 10 Comments »

A long-ago colleague writes that she (paraphrased):

will be a) getting her pistol permit, b) stocking up on ammo, c) investing in a HAM radio all by January if the US election doesn’t go well.

Obama as Che GuevaraNaturally, I replied:

If the situation is that dire, it might be time to forget asking permission.

Anyone else over yonder in America have people around you talking about a need to arm themselves if things “don’t go well”?

Who would stand to gain and who would stand to lose from mass political violence on the streets of America?

If order does break down, what forces are going to come to the fore in leading the violence? We know the state’s own guns will be there in quantity, but what other groups will organize to fight the power? The militia movement? Veterans? Organized crime? Survivalists? Gangs? Graying NRA Life members? Disaffected youth? Skate punks and twitchy Counterstrike addicts?

Sarah Palin as LeninIs it possible that the active-duty Army mechanized infantry combat brigade just returned from Iraq and now stationed in Georgia will be called into service? Will the mass detention centers quietly staffed and under construction as reported in various places find use? And what of the hundreds of thousands of nesting-stackable plastic coffins found stockpiled at a government facility? Would the billions the Pentagon and others have invested into new types of less-than-lethal crowd control systems be deployed against the American people?

Where will the battles be fought? Where will the targets be? What tactics and strategies will be employed, both in combat and in the media sphere? What new allegiances will be forged, and what ancient alliances will be sundered?

Will I still get a pony that can fly for my birthday if I’m a good little boy?

  1. 10 Responses to “Guns of November?”

  2. By David Z on 31 October 2008

    My father-in-law has a large parcel of reasonably remote land, about a three-hour drive from Detroit. He also has a pretty large arsenal of rifles and shotguns. Nothing extraordinary (AFAIK he has no Browning 50s or Kalashnikovs, etc.) but a decent supply, nonetheless. All I need is a tank of gas.

    But yeah, I’ve heard people talking about a SHTF scenario, and these people were *not* anarchists.

  3. By Mike Gogulski on 31 October 2008

    Yikes. Any more detail you can provide, without revealing identities or confidences?

  4. By Ethan Lee Vita on 31 October 2008

    Will I still get a pony that can fly for my birthday if I’m a good little boy?

    As long as you pay your taxes.

  5. By Mike Gogulski on 31 October 2008

    Cruel. If there’s no pony, the whole deal’s off.

  6. By DarianW on 31 October 2008

    I work part time at a sporting goods store. Sales of handguns and tactical guns (ar-15 style, short 12 guages, etc) have been growing steadily since earlier in the year, dropping only sightly at the last economic crash. Sales reps I spoke with told me that it is the same almost everywhere. Many people have said they were buying guns in case “something happens” over the next few months. Others worry about home invasions and rioting caused by economic trouble. A lot of right wingers are scared Obama is going to try to take their guns (when it is likely that the only difference between what McCain and Obama would actually do in office is that Obama would be more likely to pass a 1994-style “assault weapons ban”). It’s kinda ironic to see the law and order type guys talking about how they might need guns for revolution in case the election goes the wrong way.

    Of course, I think that a well-armed society is good, as I have said elsewhere, and it is good to be prepared. Nevertheless, anarchists would do much better building up alternative organizations and political awareness instead of focusing on shooting our way to freedom. A revolution centered on violence simply allows the party best at doing violence to decide how the others will live. That is fine for statists, but for those of us who want to see a world with as little coercion as possible, we need to do better.

    Incidentally, I’ve been meaning to write a long piece on anarchism and survivalism, and I should really get on that soon.

  7. By Azrael on 31 October 2008

    I think anarchists should be ready to defend themselves, but we would never win a multi sided war.

  8. By Aaron Kinney on 1 November 2008

    As your new self-appointed leader, I hereby proclaim ponies for everybody! And someone else will pay for it all!

  9. By Royce Christian on 1 November 2008

    This has been a recent topic of discussion between a friend of mine through email. There has been some consensus between us that, in all likelihood, we’re going to see some modernised recreation of the Spanish Civil War, this time with an American audience.

  10. By David Z on 11 November 2008

    Mike – no more details that would really be pertinent to discussion, but the topic has come up a number of times in the past year or so with people of all political color. I think people who are typically not “radical” are starting to really see the SHTF as a real possibility, and accordingly, they’re trying to figure out what to do as contingency. If you know & trust someone with land and guns, get on their good side. If you live in the city, you’re in for a hell of a ride. If you can make it to “the hills” you’re not going to be bothered. Nobody is going to be trolling Northern Michigan looking for stragglers living on subsistence.

    That said, if you’re a gun guy, it might be time to buy a few extra cases of ammo. If you’re not a gun guy, you might want to reconsider. Also, camp stoves & propane. Wool socks. Tin foil hats. You know, the usual.

    But seriously. I have a contingency plan, the wife knows where to meet me. What she probably doesn’t know is that I’d probably ransack a liquor store or two on my way out of town – whiskey and cigarettes are as good as any gold…

  11. By Jimbo on 19 September 2009

    I have a large number of firearms and if they were taken away to “supress rebellion” or whatever nanny fears, it would be irrelevant.

    Having a machine shop (getting a lathe soon),some blacksmithing skills, good neighbors and “The Poor Man’s James Bond 1-5 and “The Survivors” books by Kurt Saxon is all you need to keep the .gov or the martians at bay.

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