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		<title>By: Blagnet.net &#187; Get it straight: the military does not protect our lives or our freedoms</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/116/the-penalty-is-always-death/comment-page-1/#comment-4112</link>
		<dc:creator>Blagnet.net &#187; Get it straight: the military does not protect our lives or our freedoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the people want. If this is not true, then why must the State institute a coercive monopoly and murder anyone who defies [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blagnet.net &#187; Fish in a barrel 4</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/116/the-penalty-is-always-death/comment-page-1/#comment-3835</link>
		<dc:creator>Blagnet.net &#187; Fish in a barrel 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] penalized with jail time for failing to buy health insurance. Actually, as with all State mandates, the penalty is always death. (HT: David Z.&#8217;s Twitter feed on his web [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Against Me: An interesting observation &#171; Gilligan&#8217;s Corner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Against Me: An interesting observation &#171; Gilligan&#8217;s Corner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] write a check to the government to support it!  And I would never advocate that people show up in clown suits to haul you in jail for acting on your [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tony McGuire</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/116/the-penalty-is-always-death/comment-page-1/#comment-2927</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Individual does not live by at the good will of society.

&quot;Bob&quot; chose not to participate in the state. That is his absolute right.</description>
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		<title>By: Liberty Camp question: Are you a criminal? &#124; nostate.com</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/116/the-penalty-is-always-death/comment-page-1/#comment-2782</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty Camp question: Are you a criminal? &#124; nostate.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attendees who are following my blog are encouraged to read &#8220;The penalty is always death&#8221; (which I presented in abbreviated form in several sessions anyway), and the linked [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WTF? Who will build our roads in a free market? &#171; Gilligan&#8217;s Corner</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/116/the-penalty-is-always-death/comment-page-1/#comment-2274</link>
		<dc:creator>WTF? Who will build our roads in a free market? &#171; Gilligan&#8217;s Corner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 17:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In a fantastically stunning display of free markets being able to provide and care for the most of us, Kauai residents took it upon themselves to complete critical repairs themselves after the State said, &#8220;We&#8217;re sorry.  Due to mismanagement of the theft of your labour taxes, we won&#8217;t be able to provide you the $4M and 2 years we estimate it will cost to repair the road.  Sorry about that.  However, if you miss one payment of your protection money taxes, we will kill you. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kent McManigal</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/116/the-penalty-is-always-death/comment-page-1/#comment-2146</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent McManigal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 00:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People like Stephen are so funny when they engage in mental contortions in an attempt to deny the true nature of evil acts.  He probably can&#039;t even understand the difference between &quot;The United States&quot; and America.  Thanks for making me smile.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Gogulski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stephen: You&#039;re quite welcome, and, hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

One question, though: when the tax bills come due, do you kick in a bit extra each time, you know, to help others?</description>
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<p>One question, though: when the tax bills come due, do you kick in a bit extra each time, you know, to help others?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 22:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
Too often people whine and bitch about living in the American system...yet do nothing about it.  You, however, are in inspiration to those sick of America because you chose to renounce that which you wanted no part of.   
So thank you for renouncing your citizenship and leaving the United States of America.  I, for one, have no qualms about being &quot;submissive&quot; to an &quot;evil&quot; government nor allowing them to &quot;steal&quot; from me so that it may benefit those who are not as well off as I. I am, however, pleased knowing that none of my money stolen by the government will ever go to benefit you in the least.</description>
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Too often people whine and bitch about living in the American system&#8230;yet do nothing about it.  You, however, are in inspiration to those sick of America because you chose to renounce that which you wanted no part of.<br />
So thank you for renouncing your citizenship and leaving the United States of America.  I, for one, have no qualms about being &#8220;submissive&#8221; to an &#8220;evil&#8221; government nor allowing them to &#8220;steal&#8221; from me so that it may benefit those who are not as well off as I. I am, however, pleased knowing that none of my money stolen by the government will ever go to benefit you in the least.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: P.M.Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/116/the-penalty-is-always-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>P.M.Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, because there is more than one way to kill a cat, it is not &lt;I&gt;invariably&lt;/I&gt; the case that the state backs its demands up that way. It&#039;s just that that is the approach that it currently finds convenient.

Let me describe a few other things that have occurred in other times and places.

Land Taxes developed from Quit Rents. Don&#039;t want to pay them? Fine, the landlord can just revert to his alternative uses, e.g. driving his flocks and herds over fields, seizing any that were already being pastured and grazing his own where there were crops. It&#039;s no skin off his nose if he gets the return one way or the other.

British colonies often had Hut Taxes. What happened if the tax wasn&#039;t paid? The authorities came and knocked the hut down. That didn&#039;t leave the former occupants with a choice of paying or perishing of exposure, because they could always move in with someone else. Of course, they would wear out their welcome if they didn&#039;t start helping out... Even so, the approach &lt;I&gt;was&lt;/I&gt; changed to a Poll Tax as it became easier to police individuals and rather than keeping the tax take up by the slower methods of the case below (and the authorities were also aware of the sanitary problems of increased hut sharing).

The Byzantine &lt;I&gt;Kapnikon&lt;/I&gt; or Hearth Tax was similar but had more refinements that gave it an apparent slack for taxpayers (and it was only practical to introduce it as it was an improvement over an earlier Poll Tax - an English Hearth Tax without the refinements failed in the face of popular resentment when it was introduced). The tax was levied collectively on whole settlements, based on a notional number of people per hearth and a register of hearths updated in tax censuses or &lt;I&gt;Cadastres&lt;/I&gt; every several years. Taxpayers who fled were actually dragged back by their neighbours, so they wouldn&#039;t have to pay the difference (but it was no skin off the state&#039;s nose if they didn&#039;t - whole communities didn&#039;t have enough opportunities to flee). Moving in with neighbours lowered the payments over the medium term (this was the apparent slack), but the state then raised the rates per hearth. This led to a Tragedy of the Commons mechanism and clawed back the slack, and also taxpayers got easier to tax as they got more concentrated. (Since the Ottomans continued the system where practical, e.g. in Albania, traditional lifestyles there meant people in Kosovo were still living in family compounds that were convenient to get at when the Serbs came looking for them. Ironically, Enver Hoxha&#039;s modenisations had led to an end to this traditional practice in Albania proper.)

And finally, when it proved difficult to levy taxes on the Anerican colonies more directly, Britain introduced the self-policing Stamp Acts. Various kinds of legal documents needed stamps to be valid. Nobody forced people making transactions to pay for stamps - but if they ever needed them in court, i.e. if they ever sought state aid in enforcing a title, they needed to have them already. The revolt wasn&#039;t sparked by taxes, just by taxes that worked! But the rebels had already conceded the principle of taxation by accepting earlier taxes that they could ignore, so they were driven back onto a specious claim that it was only taxes without representation that were a problem (the same objection didn&#039;t apply to that, since they could have argued that earlier population levels hadn&#039;t justified representation if they were challenged on the point - but Britain didn&#039;t make the challenge, probably because it would have conceded the principle of the new claim). So they produced a result for themselves that was worse than the one they revolted against, both in principle and in practice.</description>
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<p>Let me describe a few other things that have occurred in other times and places.</p>
<p>Land Taxes developed from Quit Rents. Don&#8217;t want to pay them? Fine, the landlord can just revert to his alternative uses, e.g. driving his flocks and herds over fields, seizing any that were already being pastured and grazing his own where there were crops. It&#8217;s no skin off his nose if he gets the return one way or the other.</p>
<p>British colonies often had Hut Taxes. What happened if the tax wasn&#8217;t paid? The authorities came and knocked the hut down. That didn&#8217;t leave the former occupants with a choice of paying or perishing of exposure, because they could always move in with someone else. Of course, they would wear out their welcome if they didn&#8217;t start helping out&#8230; Even so, the approach <i>was</i> changed to a Poll Tax as it became easier to police individuals and rather than keeping the tax take up by the slower methods of the case below (and the authorities were also aware of the sanitary problems of increased hut sharing).</p>
<p>The Byzantine <i>Kapnikon</i> or Hearth Tax was similar but had more refinements that gave it an apparent slack for taxpayers (and it was only practical to introduce it as it was an improvement over an earlier Poll Tax &#8211; an English Hearth Tax without the refinements failed in the face of popular resentment when it was introduced). The tax was levied collectively on whole settlements, based on a notional number of people per hearth and a register of hearths updated in tax censuses or <i>Cadastres</i> every several years. Taxpayers who fled were actually dragged back by their neighbours, so they wouldn&#8217;t have to pay the difference (but it was no skin off the state&#8217;s nose if they didn&#8217;t &#8211; whole communities didn&#8217;t have enough opportunities to flee). Moving in with neighbours lowered the payments over the medium term (this was the apparent slack), but the state then raised the rates per hearth. This led to a Tragedy of the Commons mechanism and clawed back the slack, and also taxpayers got easier to tax as they got more concentrated. (Since the Ottomans continued the system where practical, e.g. in Albania, traditional lifestyles there meant people in Kosovo were still living in family compounds that were convenient to get at when the Serbs came looking for them. Ironically, Enver Hoxha&#8217;s modenisations had led to an end to this traditional practice in Albania proper.)</p>
<p>And finally, when it proved difficult to levy taxes on the Anerican colonies more directly, Britain introduced the self-policing Stamp Acts. Various kinds of legal documents needed stamps to be valid. Nobody forced people making transactions to pay for stamps &#8211; but if they ever needed them in court, i.e. if they ever sought state aid in enforcing a title, they needed to have them already. The revolt wasn&#8217;t sparked by taxes, just by taxes that worked! But the rebels had already conceded the principle of taxation by accepting earlier taxes that they could ignore, so they were driven back onto a specious claim that it was only taxes without representation that were a problem (the same objection didn&#8217;t apply to that, since they could have argued that earlier population levels hadn&#8217;t justified representation if they were challenged on the point &#8211; but Britain didn&#8217;t make the challenge, probably because it would have conceded the principle of the new claim). So they produced a result for themselves that was worse than the one they revolted against, both in principle and in practice.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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