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I surrendered my US passport today

8 December 2008 by Mike Gogulski
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A few hours ago at the American Embassy in Bratislava, I surrendered my United States passport, completing my “expatriating act” and making my renunciation of United States citizenship official. If everything is accepted and certified by someone back in the US at the State Department, I am a stateless person as of today, 8 December 2008.

Someone else's US passport, on fire.

Someone else's US passport... on fire!

I also submitted the IRS Form 8854 mentioned in my previous post, and there were several revisions needed to the various documents that I signed, filed, submitted, swore or affirmed to and had certified by the Consul. Repeated checking of things turned up several minor errors that needed to be corrected. A merry time was had by all in reviewing successive quintuplicate copies of documents, repeated signature and re-signature, unstapling and restapling corrected pages, and so on. I guess I was there for about an hour.

The Consul was kind enough to provide a certified letter on official embassy stationery for me to present to the Aliens’ Police (the visa authority) to document my status pending receipt of my Certificate of Loss of Nationality of the United States, which may help me cut through a bit of confusion when I contact them later in the week to inform them that my passport (and therefore my visa) is no longer in my hands. It reads:

Bratislava, Slovakia

December 8, 2008


POTVRDENIE

Veľvyslanectvo USA v Bratislave potvrdzuje týmto, že bývalý občan USA Michael Jude Gogulski, narodený 8. augusta 1972 v Arizone podal 8. decembra 2008 žiadosť o prepustenie zo štátneho zväzku USA a odovzdal svoj americký cestovný pas č. XXXXXXXXX, vydaný 5. decembra 2005 na veľvyslanectve USA v Bratislave. O schválení žiadosti rozhodne Ministerstvo zahraničných vecí USA, ktoré menovanému poskytne písomne vyrozumenie vo forme Certifikátu o zrušení štátneho občianstva USA.

[illegible signature]
XXXXX X. XXXXXXXXX
Consul of the United States of America

Bratislava, Slovakia

December 8, 2008


CONFIRMATION

The Embassy of the USA in Bratislava confirms hereby that former citizen of the USA Michael Jude Gogulski, born 8 August 1972 in Arizona, submitted on 8 December 2008 an application for release from the state bond of the USA and surrendered his American passport no. XXXXXXXXX, issued 5 December 2005 at the Embassy of the USA in Bratislava. Approval of the application shall be decided upon by the United States Department of State, which will provide the named person [i.e., me] with written notification in the form of a Certificate of Loss of Nationality of the United States.

[illegible signature]
XXXXX X. XXXXXXXXX
Consul of the United States of America

My next steps:

  • Get a notarized copy of the letter above (tomorrow).
  • Draft a letter to the Aliens’ Police Director explaining what has happened and requesting information on my legal obligations with respect to the loss of my passport and the procedure to follow to apply for the stateless person’s travel document and a replacement visa sticker. Enclose certified copy of the above letter (tomorrow).
  • Write and distribute a press release (tomorrow or Wednesday).
  • Sit around waiting for my Certificate to arrive at the Embassy. I’ll get a phone call or email from them when it comes in (whenever Information Retrieval gets around to it). Call came in on 29 December 2008 that the certificate is in. Now I have to get down there and pick the silly thing up.
  • Update my “About” page (*yawn*…).
  • ???
  • Profit!
  1. 118 Responses to “I surrendered my US passport today”

  2. By jack on 3 December 2012

    hey simba…you whined alot…i am American and have NEVER had a problem finding a job…if you want to work, jobs are there…and you are treated how you are,because you put up with it…1 word is dont put up with any shit…

  3. By Barry Lanza on 5 December 2012

    There are now several European countries which will grant you residence if you buy property there including Portugal, Latvia, Ireland and soon Spain

  4. By Simba on 11 December 2012

    “By jack on 3 December 2012

    hey simba…you whined alot…i am American and have NEVER had a problem finding a job…if you want to work, jobs are there…and you are treated how you are,because you put up with it…1 word is dont put up with any shit”

    I wish this were true but in reality it is not. The world is not fair and if you do not fit the image, colour or gender that a company is looking for you will not be hired. It’s that simple. How far you get in life is all about what you look like and what gifts you were given when born. There are those who are loved and then there are those who are not. If you are rich you have it all. If you are not you are living a living death sentence. That is the real world.

  5. By Rohry on 6 February 2013

    USA citizenship? Buyer beware. Its a real mindfuck. Simba’s feeling of being trapped is easy to understand really. I finally walked.

  6. By Rohry on 6 February 2013

    I was a free man until I placed myself in the lifetime shackles of US citizenship. A real American con job.

  7. By Ryan on 9 February 2013

    US citizenship is indeed a complete con job. Only to be a slave to a system that destroys humanity.

  8. By Dr. Sage: Million on 19 February 2013

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  9. By Mike Gogulski on 20 February 2013

    Sorry, d00d, but your ill-informed “sovereign secession” garbage isn’t welcome here.

  10. By Dr. Sage: Million on 23 February 2013

    Sovereignty Intelligence Service
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    you dont need to be stateless, we can help free of charge. oh and by the way the US can not legally demand you have have an adhesion contract with a state or country. Mike Gogulski please contact sovereign ASAP

  11. By Dr. Sage: Million on 23 February 2013

    retraction, we just reread the the issue disregard offer

  12. By Luke on 31 May 2013

    Well, I’m in a similar situation. I just found out that I was accused of a felony (fraud) and the State Dep’t won’t issue me a passport. I didn’t even know I’d been charged EIGHT YEARS AGO!! I’ve been living under my real name, b-day and using my real SSN this whole time! Shit, I even joined the Army for five years and deployed to Iraq, Qatar and Oman! They could’ve told me, and the could’ve found me anytime; I wasn’t hiding! Point is that now I can’t get a passport…and I have a trip planned and paid for to Cyprus next month! How the hell am I supposed to travel, not to mention stay out of jail?

  13. By Barry Lanza on 31 May 2013

    The government may have you on their ‘list’.

    I got a fake audit on a bank account I did not own and said I have interest. I said give me the bank account info and I will gladly give you a cut. They sent the audit years AFTER I renounced my citizenship and the IRS is required to ‘settle all accounts’ before I could renounce. They sent the audit to an address that did not exist and misspelled my name. They then took money from my wife’s Social security. I get the run around and want to go to court, They hide as I was on the Lockerbie witness list pointing to Iran and was invited to the 911 commission (and attended).

    Confront them as it will not go away. Get a video of the proceeding as Veterans and it will be fixed the other way.

    I am going to do that and watch them hide.
    In the end, they will have to go to court and they don’t want to go on court record as it will blow up on them.

  14. By none on 29 April 2014

    USA is not the best country to live in. Government has now put in laws to detain anyone for any length of time for no reason. The amount of prejudiced is the number one murder rate in the USA. Not only sex offenders get killed but also there wives and their children get beaten.

  15. By Jack Bauer on 10 May 2014

    I just came across this site and found all the conversations between the other visitors and “SIMBA” and have to say that this soap opera has been entertaining for the past week or so. Thanks for the entertainment!

    I don’t know if Simba is a dedicated troll, or just totally mental. But he is funny, and I am sure people like him exist in the world.

    For one guys, renouncing US Citizenship is the dumbest idea ever. Unless you are already Japanese or German or similar nationality. Even then you would have to question your decision. If you are only America, and have no rights anywhere else, do you know what renouncing US Citizenship means? You can no longer work in America, unless you can get a visa and work permit. Or green card. Good luck getting that as a homeless and stateless person. You cannot get welfare. No food stamps. No visa to another country. Homeless heroin addicts will have a better life than you.

    As for where in the world is better than America? Good question. Is there any nation comparable to the USA? Maybe. Better even? Maybe. But it depends on the person. I have lived all over the UK, several nations in the EU, Eastern Europe, East Asia, SE Asia, S America, Australia, and Africa. Not everywhere, but pretty close. Then I got married and had kids. Where did I decide to raise them? America.

    Sure, America sucks. It is garbage. It is getting worse. But it still has the most to offer. Look at the figures. We have a massive house, with lots of property, and a view of the Rocky Mountains out our windows. For $100 a month. Where in the WORLD can you get that? We have one of the lowest population densities. We can travel thousands of miles in any direct and live in 50 different States without any kind of visa. Our total utilities are about $100 a month. Including the world’s fasted high speed internet. We have free cell phones. Hundreds a month(or more) in free food. If we do pay for food, it is the cheapest and most delicious in the world. We have all the electronics we would ever want for dirt cheap prices. The cheapest and highest quality clothing and furniture, that we generally get for free. Free education through doctorates. Free medical care. Free dental care.

    We have Freedoms. Protections. Democracy. Individuality. And…everyone here speaks English.

    Does America suck? Yes. But it sucks way less than other places. I am not a “patriot”. I do not have a gun rack in my pick up truck. Nor do I chew tobacco and date my sister. But I am raising my children in this safe, free, and cheap nation.

    Just something to think about. And if you have strangers at your door shouting “faggot!”…Call the cops maybe?

  16. By Barry Lanza on 21 June 2014

    Jack Bauer

    You are right that you should and WILL have to get another citizenship or another government backing for the US to allow you to renounce… they will not allow you to go stateless

    There is only 1 case where political asylum against the US worked. I was supposed to get political Asylum in Spain in 1989 in relation to my Lockerbie information. Spain said the Bush administration stopped them as they could not embarrass another NATO member so I was forced back. I said it had to do with Iran. I ended up getting an Irish citizenship through my grandmother.

    My wife’s family in Iran (www.hessaby.com – a nuclear foundation) were involved in a coup attempt around the time of the Lockerbie bombing to stick in the Shah’s son. PanAm largest shareholder was the Shah’s family and as of March 2014, the Scottish government accepted the bombing had to do with Iran, not Libya.For various economical and political reasons, everyone covered it up.

    150 years of Slavery, American Indians and 110,000 Japanese in ‘camps’ ; victims were not allowed political asylum, The US will not allow anyone to save they do political abuse.

    HOWEVER
    , Jack Bauer

    Free education through doctorates. Free medical care. Free dental care and 100 dollar a month rent…

    not in America….Student loan debt just surpassed 1 trillion USD and the largest reason for bankruptcy is medical bills.

    Not true

  17. By Guest on 26 July 2014

    “For $100 a month. Where in the WORLD can you get that? We have one of the lowest population densities. We can travel thousands of miles in any direct and live in 50 different States without any kind of visa. Our total utilities are about $100 a month. Including the world’s fasted high speed internet. We have free cell phones. Hundreds a month(or more) in free food. If we do pay for food, it is the cheapest and most delicious in the world. We have all the electronics we would ever want for dirt cheap prices. The cheapest and highest quality clothing and furniture, that we generally get for free. Free education through doctorates. Free medical care. Free dental care.”

    What alternate universe are you living in, Jack Bauer?

  18. By JJ on 16 March 2015

    “Free education through doctorates. Free medical care. Free dental care and 100 dollar a month rent…

    not in America….Student loan debt just surpassed 1 trillion USD and the largest reason for bankruptcy is medical bills.”

    If you are not smart enough to get a job that provides you the health care you need or not smart enough to take advantage of the government subsidies under the Affordable Care Act, then what country will want you besides a backwater? Seriously?

    Yes, 1 trillion, whooptie do, you can pull guessed statistics from the media that you cannot even wrap your mind around.

    The fact is that in Australia and the United Kingdom, the cost of university is similar to the US. Actually higher in Australia. In Sweden, where university is free, they have quite a bit of student debt: 124,000 Swedish krona ($19,000). The average US student was carrying about 30% more, at $24,800. And yet, students in Germany and the UK have far lower debts than in Sweden. And 85% of Swedish students graduate with debt, versus only 50% in the US. Worst of all, new Swedish graduates have the highest debt-to-income ratios of any group of students in the developed world (according to estimates of what they’re expected to earn once they get out of school)—somewhere in the neighborhood of 80%. The US, where we’re constantly being told that student debt is hitting crisis proportions, the average is more like 60%.

    The fact is, the US government provides subsidies and medical care to the poor and elderly. Medicare and Medicaid e.g.

    It seems that you are just whining about your failures rather than the failures of the system, which seem to work fine for a majority of people and immigrants who seek a better life.

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