I’m officially stateless

30 December 2008 by Mike Gogulski
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Got a call yesterday (29 December 2008) from the US Embassy that my Certificate of Loss of Nationality of the United States has been received here in Bratislava.

The staffer offered me the choice of picking it up in person or having it mailed to me, with signature-on-delivery confirmation. I opted to pick it up in person.

If I don’t make it down there during their opening hours, it’ll have to wait until after the new year.

As far as I know, the issuance of this document means that I became a stateless person on 8 December 2008, that having been the day I swore the Oath of Renunciation and surrendered my US passport.

For more exciting bureaucracy, stay tuned to this channel!

  1. 22 Responses to “I’m officially stateless”

  2. By WalKnDude on 30 December 2008

    i have not really been following this. What office is that out of? Bratislava? You have a tele number for that embassy?
    Or perhaps theirs in D.C.?

  3. By J on 30 December 2008

    How’s your cat taking the news?

  4. By OracleGD on 30 December 2008

    Congratulations, my nigga.

  5. By Mike Gogulski on 30 December 2008

    J: He’s indifferent. Still comes up to me in the morning when it’s time for his milk-dose and rubs his purring nose in my sleeping ear…

    WalKnDude: US Embassy in Slovakia:

    As for the other, I’m sure Google knows…

  6. By Ethan Lee Vita on 30 December 2008

    Yay for Anarcho-Cat!

  7. By Mike Gogulski on 30 December 2008

    Ethan: Please try to keep it down with the cheering… he’s sleeping quite peacefully…

  8. By SW on 30 December 2008

    Will you be posting a scan of the certificate you received from the embassy?

    Would be interesting to see.

    Am keen to see if the IRS leaves you alone now…

  9. By Seth on 30 December 2008

    Fuggin Sa-WEEEET…I was really wondering if yer “failure to file” for the IRS thieves/shitbags was going to derail the process. Apparently not, which is good news for all potential expatriates/renouncers.

  10. By Azrael on 30 December 2008

    Someone responded to my video on you and well disagreed with your decision lol. He said your young and emotional, your lack of wisdom is why you became stateless.

    I responded saying it is not wise to submit to government only easier. He still dsiagreed. Then came after me for supporting you and not joining you so I let him have it and he did not respond lol.

  11. By Aaron Kinney on 30 December 2008

    I am now banning you and your blog. I don’t speak to foreigners, especially STATELESS foreigners!


  12. By Mike Gogulski on 31 December 2008

    SW: Cert coming soon! I have it, just gotta get my post together. One of my “bureauconfrontation” posts (see sidebar) has a bit about what I believe my IRS status now to be.

    Seth: Yeah, I didn’t really expect an IRS obstacle, but that was the only potential one I thought might present itself.

    Azrael: *Shrug*. I replied to him. All I can really say is that he is not part of my audience.

    Aaron: Oh noes! Does this mean you’re not going to give me the flying pony you promised me, too? 😀

  13. By Daniel Waite on 2 January 2009

    I’m glad the knife incident hasn’t deterred you from writing.

  14. By Mike Gogulski on 2 January 2009

    Thanks, Daniel. It’ll take a lot more than just a little crazy near me to stop me 😉

  15. By jrlcat on 4 January 2009

    Hi Mike, congratulations on becoming stateless. Sorry if you’ve addressed this elsewhere, but I’m curious, are stateless persons in the EU legally allowed to work?

  16. By Mike Gogulski on 6 January 2009

    @jrlcat: Generally there will be a requirement of legal residency tied up with the requirements for getting a work permit or trade license. Getting a trade license or starting up a limited company is probably easier in many places than going for “regular” employment. That said, the general answer to your question is to be found by looking up the relevant law for the country in question and applying it to the specific person’s situation. I imagine there are wide differences between the different EU states, and I wouldn’t pretend to know anything of substance in this field, except with regard to Slovakia, where perhaps I know just enough to be dangerous.

  17. By Name1 on 15 June 2009


    Keep in mind there are 2 steps. Expatriating for Immigration purposes then also ending your Tax status.

    Did you file Form 8854? Do you expect to receive confirmation of the end of your lifelong tax liability to the USA?

  18. By anne on 23 June 2009

    Why did you chose Slovakia? Is it more accepting of Americans? How could someone try this say in Canada?

  19. By Mike Gogulski on 23 June 2009

    Hello Anne!

    I answered the “why Slovakia?” question here.

    About your Canada question, I’m not exactly sure what you’re asking or what your situation is. If you have Canadian citizenship now, you cannot renounce it until you acquire a different one. (see here).

    If you’re a citizen of a different country seeking to renounce that citizenship within Canada, you should take note of the fact that Canada is not a signatory to the 1954 Convention relating to the Status of Stateless Persons, and consider carefully what implications that might have for you.

    My ongoing project to catalogue this type of information is at my Renunciant Resources page.

  20. By Serf? on 30 July 2009

    So I take it the (relevant) comparison in the following thread is inaccurate:

  21. By Mike Gogulski on 30 July 2009

    @Serf: No idea what specifically you’re referring to.

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