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Seth speaks: On military and other statist lies

12 April 2009 by Mike Gogulski
Posted in war | 5 Comments »

One of my frequent commenters, Seth, left a comment in reply to another one on my ever-popular “Fuck the troops!” posting.

I thought it was important enough to repost here (with minor edits), for those who aren’t diligently following the nostate.com comment feed.

[W]ith a kill ratio of something upwards of 75:1, members of the U.S. [military] are doing the lion’s share of the killing [in Iraq]. It would not surprise if these criminals are also engaging in their share of rape, kidnapping and theft.  And torture  (Abu Ghraib?)

Many members of the military “are simply doing it to make money” (or college money) as they are too weak-willed and/or stupid to make an honest buck.

Instead they choose to get paid to serve an organization whose primary purpose is to threaten and, “if necessary”, carry out acts of aggressive violence against mostly hapless people caught in the crossfire between the US government and the “enemy” du jour.

Governments are always trying to redefine their crimes out of existence by taking a common criminal act and attaching a new label to it. Thus, armed robbery becomes “taxation” and kidnapping becomes “arrest”, etc.

Thinking people see through these lies. If there are people in the military that are responsible for 4 or more deaths is a single event, those people are in fact mass murderers.

Whether or not their crimes are sanctioned by the same government they are killing for is wholly immaterial. Governments themselves are the largest criminal organizations, so to expect any type of moral behavior out of these organizations is foolish at best.

  1. 5 Responses to “Seth speaks: On military and other statist lies”

  2. By Lopez on 13 April 2009

    Bravo! Excellent and concise critique. Seth puts things into perspective quite nicely.

  3. By Mattocracy on 13 April 2009

    I have a hard time imagining that US soldiers are anymore honest and honorable than the police in the US. But then again, it’s getting harder and harder to tell them apart.

  4. By Jim Burke on 16 April 2009

    Kinda makes you miss the old Sicilian Mobsters. At least they took care of the little folk in their area. They only made war on other bosses and thier henchmen, and they rewarded loyalty. They also provided more real services for the protection money they took from you.

  5. By Seth on 20 April 2009

    Upon further thought, I’m not sure that it’s fair to characterize people who choose to join the military as merely “stupid”. Something more powerful than mere stupidity is at work here: Statist (and ultimately militarist) brainwashing.

    I would argue that many naturally intelligent people are susceptible to this brainwashing if it begins at an early age. Early enough so that they do not have the ego or defenses to resist it. Once these lies are embedded in the the psyche and sense of self-identity, they can be extremely difficult to dislodge.

    They can also contribute to some of the mental ammo needed to employ aggressive violence against other peaceful human beings on behalf of a criminal organization like governments.

  6. By Don on 23 August 2010

    “brainwashing if it begins at an early age”
    ——————————————-

    That’s the major key that makes the US military work. They lie to, and take advantage of the naivete of youth. Very few soldiers re-enlist as most *outgrow* their naivete. I outgrew it less than 24 hours after entering but had to endure the rest of 4 years, back i the 70’s. I have nothing good to say for the military and plenty bad to say about it.


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