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> <channel><title>Comments on: Educating for anarchism</title> <atom:link href="http://www.nostate.com/181/educating-for-anarchism/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.nostate.com/181/educating-for-anarchism/</link> <description>ACCESS ALL AREAS</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:39:04 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Angus Palmberg</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/181/educating-for-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-10750</link> <dc:creator>Angus Palmberg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:44:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=181#comment-10750</guid> <description>Things like this make me proud to be a part of the human race. I guess there still is some hope after all.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things like this make me proud to be a part of the human race. I guess there still is some hope after all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike Gogulski</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/181/educating-for-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-2596</link> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:53:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=181#comment-2596</guid> <description>@john: The overall tendency in the universe is toward complete entropy. The big bang is still cooling down.
Some of us, though, still have the fire.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@john: The overall tendency in the universe is toward complete entropy. The big bang is still cooling down.</p><p>Some of us, though, still have the fire.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: john</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/181/educating-for-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-2595</link> <dc:creator>john</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:40:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=181#comment-2595</guid> <description>Hey good on you for sticking to your guns, but dont you ever get tired of swimming against the current all the time? I get tired of living in a world where everyone else seems to be nuts and I have to put up with their crap rules and regulations and ways, sure I might struggle and rebel but it seems so big, all pervasive and totalitarian.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey good on you for sticking to your guns, but dont you ever get tired of swimming against the current all the time? I get tired of living in a world where everyone else seems to be nuts and I have to put up with their crap rules and regulations and ways, sure I might struggle and rebel but it seems so big, all pervasive and totalitarian.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Educating for anarchism #4 &#8212; a reply to FSK &#124; nostate.com</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/181/educating-for-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-1721</link> <dc:creator>Educating for anarchism #4 &#8212; a reply to FSK &#124; nostate.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:03:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=181#comment-1721</guid> <description>[...] exploring the question, FSK links to my first &#8220;Educating for anarchism&#8221; post, and elaborates on a theme that I&#8217;ve heard before &#8212; and [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] exploring the question, FSK links to my first &#8220;Educating for anarchism&#8221; post, and elaborates on a theme that I&#8217;ve heard before &#8212; and [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The troubles of an anarchist blogger &#124; No Treason</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/181/educating-for-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-1642</link> <dc:creator>The troubles of an anarchist blogger &#124; No Treason</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:49:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=181#comment-1642</guid> <description>[...] a situation with our mutual friend Mike Gogulski, but I think FSK misses the point. I noticed this post by Mike Gogulski, where he refused a job for the State. The fallacy in his reasoning is that *ANY* on-the-books work [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a situation with our mutual friend Mike Gogulski, but I think FSK misses the point. I noticed this post by Mike Gogulski, where he refused a job for the State. The fallacy in his reasoning is that *ANY* on-the-books work [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: My muddy anti-corporate anarchist ethics &#124; nostate.com</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/181/educating-for-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-317</link> <dc:creator>My muddy anti-corporate anarchist ethics &#124; nostate.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:42:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=181#comment-317</guid> <description>[...] made a couple of posts here so far illustrating how I&#8217;ve taken to refusing work which supports [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] made a couple of posts here so far illustrating how I&#8217;ve taken to refusing work which supports [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Market Anarchist Carnival &#8212; July Edition &#171; without hyphens</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/181/educating-for-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-259</link> <dc:creator>Market Anarchist Carnival &#8212; July Edition &#171; without hyphens</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:46:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=181#comment-259</guid> <description>[...] Educating for Anarchism [via NoState.com] [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Educating for Anarchism [via NoState.com] [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: marta pe</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/181/educating-for-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-238</link> <dc:creator>marta pe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:56:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=181#comment-238</guid> <description>Mr. B, you are my prophet! i&#039;ve been considering exactly this solution for a while, and i think it&#039;s the most effective AND ethical one.
But i don&#039;t think you can sabotage every government action (e.g., how was Mike supposed to react?), so you&#039;re left with a boycott.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. B, you are my prophet! i&#8217;ve been considering exactly this solution for a while, and i think it&#8217;s the most effective AND ethical one.</p><p>But i don&#8217;t think you can sabotage every government action (e.g., how was Mike supposed to react?), so you&#8217;re left with a boycott.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mr. B</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/181/educating-for-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link> <dc:creator>Mr. B</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:01:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=181#comment-231</guid> <description>Interesting...I was drawn to the article&#039;s title because I am an anarchist and an educator, but I&#039;m not sure how much of this boycotting all &quot;helping&quot; governments operate I can agree with.  I&#039;m a substitute teacher for the state of California, and I find the Governator&#039;s signature on my paychecks deliciously ironic.  The state provides me with a platform from which to encourage young people to question it.  It pays me to undermine its legitimacy.
There is no oversight at my job.  I get my assignments from a computer; I have no adult supervision in the classroom.  I&#039;ve been doing and saying whatever I want in front of a classroom for two years now, encouraging six classes of high school students to question the system that brought them under my authority.
I&#039;ve also worked in the private sector for many years (teaching is not my only job) and I am still nowhere near collecting more money from my pay than I estimate the state has taken from me through its many and varied means of expropriation.  To me, marking my timesheets without providing the benefits the state expects from employing me is my way of repatriating my own stolen property.  And if I do cross that line from net loss to net gain, well, so what?  Every penny the state puts in my pocket is a penny not spent on tasers, tear gas, etc.  By soaking up as much of the state&#039;s wealth as possible we can accelerate its decline.
When I started teaching, I was afraid to work for the state, not just because I dreaded the idea that my actions might do something to support it, but because I thought working in such an environment might corrupt me into a rent-seeking bureaucrat like most of the public employees I&#039;ve had the displeasure of encountering.  However, paradoxically, the state&#039;s incredible inefficiency gives me, as far as I can tell, perfect freedom to behave however I wish at work.  If anyone was watching me I would have been fired long ago.  For a while, when I started, I was just waiting for the axe to drop, but if it hasn&#039;t by now I don&#039;t know what I could do to bring it down upon me.
I&#039;ve also got a master&#039;s degree in economics from a heavily subsidized state college and I&#039;m currently taking more subsidized classes at Berkeley in preparation for a PhD program.  If all goes well, I will be a tenured economics professor paid by the state to advance...anti-statism.  If educators will be the swords that slay the beast, the beast is doing a fine job of forging them.
Like how Marx said capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction, statism is sowing its own crop.  And it feels good to be one of those seeds.  I think it&#039;s something more of us should embrace.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230;I was drawn to the article&#8217;s title because I am an anarchist and an educator, but I&#8217;m not sure how much of this boycotting all &#8220;helping&#8221; governments operate I can agree with.  I&#8217;m a substitute teacher for the state of California, and I find the Governator&#8217;s signature on my paychecks deliciously ironic.  The state provides me with a platform from which to encourage young people to question it.  It pays me to undermine its legitimacy.</p><p>There is no oversight at my job.  I get my assignments from a computer; I have no adult supervision in the classroom.  I&#8217;ve been doing and saying whatever I want in front of a classroom for two years now, encouraging six classes of high school students to question the system that brought them under my authority.</p><p>I&#8217;ve also worked in the private sector for many years (teaching is not my only job) and I am still nowhere near collecting more money from my pay than I estimate the state has taken from me through its many and varied means of expropriation.  To me, marking my timesheets without providing the benefits the state expects from employing me is my way of repatriating my own stolen property.  And if I do cross that line from net loss to net gain, well, so what?  Every penny the state puts in my pocket is a penny not spent on tasers, tear gas, etc.  By soaking up as much of the state&#8217;s wealth as possible we can accelerate its decline.</p><p>When I started teaching, I was afraid to work for the state, not just because I dreaded the idea that my actions might do something to support it, but because I thought working in such an environment might corrupt me into a rent-seeking bureaucrat like most of the public employees I&#8217;ve had the displeasure of encountering.  However, paradoxically, the state&#8217;s incredible inefficiency gives me, as far as I can tell, perfect freedom to behave however I wish at work.  If anyone was watching me I would have been fired long ago.  For a while, when I started, I was just waiting for the axe to drop, but if it hasn&#8217;t by now I don&#8217;t know what I could do to bring it down upon me.</p><p>I&#8217;ve also got a master&#8217;s degree in economics from a heavily subsidized state college and I&#8217;m currently taking more subsidized classes at Berkeley in preparation for a PhD program.  If all goes well, I will be a tenured economics professor paid by the state to advance&#8230;anti-statism.  If educators will be the swords that slay the beast, the beast is doing a fine job of forging them.</p><p>Like how Marx said capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction, statism is sowing its own crop.  And it feels good to be one of those seeds.  I think it&#8217;s something more of us should embrace.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike Gogulski</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/181/educating-for-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-190</link> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:35:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=181#comment-190</guid> <description>Aaron,
I see your point, but when I wrote &quot;work within the state&quot; I meant &quot;do work for the state in exchange for compensation&quot;.
Making the beast fall on its own sword is a powerful idea, but I don&#039;t really see it happening. States tend to expand and claim more power for themselves when they are injured except via war, coup or successful revolution. If we&#039;re going to rule those methods out, it seems to me that the only real weapon we have left is education, with the goal in mind of convincing people, one at a time, to withdraw their internalized support for the state and to begin seeking non-state solutions to those legitimate social and economic problems to which states address themselves.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,</p><p>I see your point, but when I wrote &#8220;work within the state&#8221; I meant &#8220;do work for the state in exchange for compensation&#8221;.</p><p>Making the beast fall on its own sword is a powerful idea, but I don&#8217;t really see it happening. States tend to expand and claim more power for themselves when they are injured except via war, coup or successful revolution. If we&#8217;re going to rule those methods out, it seems to me that the only real weapon we have left is education, with the goal in mind of convincing people, one at a time, to withdraw their internalized support for the state and to begin seeking non-state solutions to those legitimate social and economic problems to which states address themselves.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
