Comments on: Post-agorism? — A dialogue http://www.nostate.com/1955/post-agorism-a-dialogue/ ACCESS ALL AREAS Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:39:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: Shachar Hellerhttp://www.nostate.com/1955/post-agorism-a-dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-8935 Shachar Heller Sat, 29 May 2010 11:26:38 +0000 http://www.nostate.com/?p=1955#comment-8935 @Royce Christian, there's no contradiction between Stirnerian Egoism and Counter Economics. Stirner himself recognizes that Egoists often have mutual interests and cooperating with others is not against the Ego (in fact he used the term 'union of egoists' for groups of egoistically-minded individuals who nevertheless find value in working together). Besides, Stirner's Egoism is not like moral Egoism; it's closer to amoralism. The most despicable thing to Stirner is a fixde idea. According to Stirner, one shouldn't try to serve some kind of a fixed idea of what his own interest his; rather, one should just do as he pleases. In most people who are social beings with feelings like empathy and responsibility, serving one's "self interest" in the Stirnerian sense could very well imply helping and giving to others. @Royce Christian, there’s no contradiction between Stirnerian Egoism and Counter Economics. Stirner himself recognizes that Egoists often have mutual interests and cooperating with others is not against the Ego (in fact he used the term ‘union of egoists’ for groups of egoistically-minded individuals who nevertheless find value in working together).
Besides, Stirner’s Egoism is not like moral Egoism; it’s closer to amoralism. The most despicable thing to Stirner is a fixde idea. According to Stirner, one shouldn’t try to serve some kind of a fixed idea of what his own interest his; rather, one should just do as he pleases. In most people who are social beings with feelings like empathy and responsibility, serving one’s “self interest” in the Stirnerian sense could very well imply helping and giving to others.

]]> By: Royce Christianhttp://www.nostate.com/1955/post-agorism-a-dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-2191 Royce Christian Tue, 12 May 2009 10:50:19 +0000 http://www.nostate.com/?p=1955#comment-2191 Shux! To be referenced among Brad Spangler and Konkin in the same line is truly an honour, though undeserved. It's interesting. What Anna seems to be arguing is something similar to what Max Stirner and the Egoists proposed of self-liberation. Although I openly admit that I have not read the Ego and Its Own your act of 'stateless-ness' can be characterised as overtly rejecting external authorities on the individual -- something which you would find Stirner supporting. For him, it is natural to live without restriction from these authorities. Agorism begins with Egoism; the desire for an individual to be free (self-liberation). However Agorism's love of counter economics, which is essentially a revolution, is something that in the end requires a consciousness of the needs and suffering of those around us. It then implies that the individual work towards liberty with other, like-minded individuals, but avoid confronting the system directly, instead attacking it asymmetrically. Egoism rejects this and regards the individual, the self, as (for lack of a better term) the centre of the universe. Counter Economics and Egoist-style self-liberation diverge at a certain point and yet counter economics seems to be a certain type of 'self-liberation', just not of the brand that Stirner seems to have imagined. Shux! To be referenced among Brad Spangler and Konkin in the same line is truly an honour, though undeserved.

It’s interesting. What Anna seems to be arguing is something similar to what Max Stirner and the Egoists proposed of self-liberation. Although I openly admit that I have not read the Ego and Its Own your act of ‘stateless-ness’ can be characterised as overtly rejecting external authorities on the individual — something which you would find Stirner supporting. For him, it is natural to live without restriction from these authorities.

Agorism begins with Egoism; the desire for an individual to be free (self-liberation). However Agorism’s love of counter economics, which is essentially a revolution, is something that in the end requires a consciousness of the needs and suffering of those around us. It then implies that the individual work towards liberty with other, like-minded individuals, but avoid confronting the system directly, instead attacking it asymmetrically.

Egoism rejects this and regards the individual, the self, as (for lack of a better term) the centre of the universe.

Counter Economics and Egoist-style self-liberation diverge at a certain point and yet counter economics seems to be a certain type of ‘self-liberation’, just not of the brand that Stirner seems to have imagined.

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