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> <channel><title>Comments on: Heroin dealers for liberty?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.nostate.com/2212/heroin-dealers-for-liberty/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.nostate.com/2212/heroin-dealers-for-liberty/</link> <description>ACCESS ALL AREAS</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:39:04 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Patri Friedman</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/2212/heroin-dealers-for-liberty/comment-page-1/#comment-2773</link> <dc:creator>Patri Friedman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:34:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=2212#comment-2773</guid> <description>Have drug gangs and violence led to demand for private law enforcement &lt;em&gt;among drug gangs&lt;/em&gt;?  Certainly.  Have drug gangs and violence led to demand for private law enforcement among other people?  Have they increased the alternatives to the state?  Have they decreased the iron grip of the state on our lives, or the violence it attacks us with?
No.  It has done the opposite.  Drug gangs and drug violence have militarized the police, and increased the grip of the state on our lives, increased the violence it subjects us to.  It has had exactly the opposite of the effect which agorism predicts - that increasing the black market will move more of the economy, including law enforcement and physical security, out of the public sector.  In the agorist world, black market counter-economic enclaves promote safe, effective alternatives to government law enforcement.  In the real world, areas with high drug gang activity are impoverished, violent ghettos.  They are not models for a new, better society, they are models of a worse society, a devolution, not an evolution.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have drug gangs and violence led to demand for private law enforcement <em>among drug gangs</em>?  Certainly.  Have drug gangs and violence led to demand for private law enforcement among other people?  Have they increased the alternatives to the state?  Have they decreased the iron grip of the state on our lives, or the violence it attacks us with?</p><p>No.  It has done the opposite.  Drug gangs and drug violence have militarized the police, and increased the grip of the state on our lives, increased the violence it subjects us to.  It has had exactly the opposite of the effect which agorism predicts &#8211; that increasing the black market will move more of the economy, including law enforcement and physical security, out of the public sector.  In the agorist world, black market counter-economic enclaves promote safe, effective alternatives to government law enforcement.  In the real world, areas with high drug gang activity are impoverished, violent ghettos.  They are not models for a new, better society, they are models of a worse society, a devolution, not an evolution.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Seasteading: Homesteading the High Seas</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/2212/heroin-dealers-for-liberty/comment-page-1/#comment-2753</link> <dc:creator>Seasteading: Homesteading the High Seas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:34:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=2212#comment-2753</guid> <description>[...] of the world’s population moving onto the ocean to escape government in the medium term. As Mike points out, we should let a thousand tactics [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the world’s population moving onto the ocean to escape government in the medium term. As Mike points out, we should let a thousand tactics [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anna Morgenstern</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/2212/heroin-dealers-for-liberty/comment-page-1/#comment-2572</link> <dc:creator>Anna Morgenstern</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:40:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=2212#comment-2572</guid> <description>http://tranarchist.blogspot.com/2009/06/patri-friedman-you-are-agorist.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href="http://tranarchist.blogspot.com/2009/06/patri-friedman-you-are-agorist.html" rel="nofollow">http://tranarchist.blogspot.com/2009/06/patri-friedman-you-are-agorist.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jdavidb</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/2212/heroin-dealers-for-liberty/comment-page-1/#comment-2562</link> <dc:creator>jdavidb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:49:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=2212#comment-2562</guid> <description>Friedman seems to be mixing up cause and effect, does he not?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friedman seems to be mixing up cause and effect, does he not?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Z</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/2212/heroin-dealers-for-liberty/comment-page-1/#comment-2541</link> <dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:46:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=2212#comment-2541</guid> <description>Without reading Davidson&#039;s reply, I&#039;d have to say he&#039;s spot-on. There &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; an ideological element to agorism, such that even &lt;i&gt;not all counter-economics&lt;/i&gt; is agorism.  Theodore&#039;s comment, above, regarding the Red/Black dichotomy is also correct IMO.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without reading Davidson&#8217;s reply, I&#8217;d have to say he&#8217;s spot-on. There <i>is</i> an ideological element to agorism, such that even <i>not all counter-economics</i> is agorism.  Theodore&#8217;s comment, above, regarding the Red/Black dichotomy is also correct IMO.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Theodore</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/2212/heroin-dealers-for-liberty/comment-page-1/#comment-2539</link> <dc:creator>Theodore</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:01:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=2212#comment-2539</guid> <description>Exactly... the Current set up of the &quot;Black Market&quot; is actually a Red Market, where violence is the accepted norm. In order to get a true black market in the counter-economic sense, we must set up a dispute resolution system that does not involve violence, Such as arbitration. Anyone want to start a Black-market arbitration firm with me?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly&#8230; the Current set up of the &#8220;Black Market&#8221; is actually a Red Market, where violence is the accepted norm. In order to get a true black market in the counter-economic sense, we must set up a dispute resolution system that does not involve violence, Such as arbitration. Anyone want to start a Black-market arbitration firm with me?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
