Franc doesn’t disbelieve in ownership, his problem is with property. The strict mutualist position (which Franc, last I checked, has adopted) is that renting out capital is immoral, and so “property” (which includes the ability to rent out your possessions) is wrong.

Franc, you’re an enigma. I’m not sure if you’re the worst evangelist in the world or the best. You make everyone (even your allies) want to punch you in the face sometimes, but you always get them to think about your point. You’re responsible in large part for my conversion to a sort of mutualism, so thanks, you pinko bastard.

If you’re gonna say “you’re just wrong,” don’t expect me to take you seriously. Either tell us WHAT is wrong with the arguments, or admit you have no idea what the hell you’re talking about.

They’re just wrong.

Like I said… you don’t understand Anarchism, and yet you pretend that you do. Anarchism does not “fail to take into account” evolution! Have you even HEARD of Mutual Aid by Kropotkin? His WHOLE BOOK is on that very topic, you asshole. It’s a well-known book, you have no reason to not know about it if you know anything about Anarchism, which you don’t.

“That’s why I’m a minarchist rather than an anarchist.”

Then you are absurd, since minarchism is the most absurd and the most contradictory of all political positions. Either you believe in the State or you don’t: your silly middle ground (yea, we need the State, but the State is evil, but it’s a necessary evil, but it should be limited, it should limit itself, even though it has no reason to limit itself, but it’s necessary!) is the laughingstock of pretty much everyone else.

“Don’t be me wrong, though… if we get to a minarchist state and it turns out that magically people stop being acquisitive and venal, I’m all for doing away with that last bit too.”

Actually, minarchism can ONLY work if “magically people stop being acquisitive and venal.” Otherwise, it will always inevitably collapse into a tyranny (ironically, this is what minarchists always accuse Anarchists of, because they are projecting, like any good believer).

“It’s just that that’s religion and not science.”

Oh, I would say you’re projecting again, but I don’t think minarchism is a religion. But it’s certainly not science, that we both agree on.

That’s why I’m a minarchist rather than an anarchist. Don’t be me wrong, though… if we get to a minarchist state and it turns out that magically people stop being acquisitive and venal, I’m all for doing away with that last bit too.

It’s just that that’s religion and not science.

Please do not pretend to know what Anarchy is.

“Would you prevent selling it for some other amount? (and how?)”

Why should I? I would hope that people are not assholes and don’t try to exploit me. If they do, I’ll simply not buy their crap, and support boycotts or pulling their products off the shelves. Ostracism should be enough of an incentive.

“The distinction between selling your labor and selling the fruits of your labor is so narrow as to be nearly indistinguishable.”

You apparently can’t do basic math. That’s okay. Many stupid people lead happy lives.

“If you’re offended by “having” to do what someone else asks you to do, run your own business and skip that step.”

Yes, that’s an option obviously available to everyone, and so easy too. Dangit, how did I not think of this before? I just gotta take all this capital I’ve accumulated by being paid my full product and… oh wait. I still live in the capitalist system. I guess you’re just an idiot.