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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/3396/normal-people-scare-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4230</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gang stalking is the hidden edge that keeps the masses from waking up.  I know that nobody who&#039;s not a target (outside of a small clique of conspiracy theorists) believes in this stuff, but it&#039;s quite real - East Germany was the prototype, and now we&#039;re getting a dictatorship rolled out in the NATO nations, right under everyone&#039;s noses.

Of course it might all end up spinning out of control anyway.  That&#039;s my hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Gang stalking is the hidden edge that keeps the masses from waking up.  I know that nobody who&#8217;s not a target (outside of a small clique of conspiracy theorists) believes in this stuff, but it&#8217;s quite real &#8211; East Germany was the prototype, and now we&#8217;re getting a dictatorship rolled out in the NATO nations, right under everyone&#8217;s noses.</p>
<p>Of course it might all end up spinning out of control anyway.  That&#8217;s my hope.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gogulski</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/3396/normal-people-scare-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4119</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@P.M.Lawrence: Point taken, and text updated.</description>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/3396/normal-people-scare-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4114</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can they exert control over you if they cannot find you?

&quot;What do we want? I don&#039;t know, what do we want?&quot;

&quot;I know what you want.  You want to be invisible, invincible, invulnerable.  You want to come and go like the wind, unnoticed but all pervasive.&quot;

&quot;Yes!  That&#039;s what we want! Can we have it by Thursday?&quot;</description>
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<p>&#8220;What do we want? I don&#8217;t know, what do we want?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I know what you want.  You want to be invisible, invincible, invulnerable.  You want to come and go like the wind, unnoticed but all pervasive.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: P.M.Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/3396/normal-people-scare-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4103</link>
		<dc:creator>P.M.Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...the Prussian-model education system we are all products of...&quot;.

No, &lt;I&gt;not&lt;/I&gt; all of us. I myself went to a British Public School (public as in public telephone, i.e. as opposed to privately educated by tutors or in schools attached to cathedrals etc., and not free but fee paying, not public as in public service, i.e. publicly funded and free at point of use). That is not only a considerably older tradition than the Prussian one but also largely uninfluenced by it in more recent times.</description>
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<p>No, <i>not</i> all of us. I myself went to a British Public School (public as in public telephone, i.e. as opposed to privately educated by tutors or in schools attached to cathedrals etc., and not free but fee paying, not public as in public service, i.e. publicly funded and free at point of use). That is not only a considerably older tradition than the Prussian one but also largely uninfluenced by it in more recent times.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gogulski</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/3396/normal-people-scare-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4100</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gilligan: Oh shit, fuck, I don&#039;t know. Fuck, fuck. I was worried for the moment about those of my own generation so hopelessly bent, I&#039;d &lt;em&gt;completely forgotten&lt;/em&gt; about the youth of tomorrow who will oppress us just the same.

Oh fuck. Fuck.</description>
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		<title>By: Gilligan</title>
		<link>http://www.nostate.com/3396/normal-people-scare-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4097</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They scare me too.  When you&#039;re intellectually crippled by public education in the arguably most receptive period of your life, and further conditioned by pro-State media shills/trolls, how do you get out?

How do I prevent these people from exerting control over me when their older?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM

And I get called a nutbar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->They scare me too.  When you&#8217;re intellectually crippled by public education in the arguably most receptive period of your life, and further conditioned by pro-State media shills/trolls, how do you get out?</p>
<p>How do I prevent these people from exerting control over me when their older?:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gogulski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jim: What you&#039;ve written deserves a separate treatment. Thanks for giving me important stuff to think about and to reconnect with.

Meanwhile, would that there were more like the Essenes, and fewer of the zomboid bastards I see.</description>
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<p>Meanwhile, would that there were more like the Essenes, and fewer of the zomboid bastards I see.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gogulski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>s/and to transfer those patterns of obedience on to individuals and institutions/and to transfer those patterns of obedience on to and to adopt them from individuals and institutions/

Better.</description>
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		<title>By: Neo Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jim Davidson

Possibly thanks to the rise of ADHD (or whatever) will we have more and more people becoming fed up pretty quickly! 

In all seriousness, all those willing today must guard the last human city on Earth, our Zion. You all know what it is! Many of the jobs Jim listed can&#039;t exist as easily or at all. Its demise would set us back 20 to 30 years.

We can&#039;t let the &quot;last city&quot; turn into one giant public school. Never!</description>
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<p>Possibly thanks to the rise of ADHD (or whatever) will we have more and more people becoming fed up pretty quickly! </p>
<p>In all seriousness, all those willing today must guard the last human city on Earth, our Zion. You all know what it is! Many of the jobs Jim listed can&#8217;t exist as easily or at all. Its demise would set us back 20 to 30 years.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t let the &#8220;last city&#8221; turn into one giant public school. Never!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is much to this labeling idea.  Neal Stephenson runs with it in _Cryptonomicon_ pointing out that when you say &quot;Joe is an addict&quot; you are also, in a way, saying &quot;Joe isn&#039;t a person.  He isn&#039;t worth regarding as a sovereign individual.  Treat him as you would any other garbage.&quot;

Enoch Root, the character who goes over this point, says that he prefers the German way of describing it, &quot;morphium suchtig&quot; or &quot;morphine seeking.&quot;  That describes his behavior, but doesn&#039;t replace Joe with &quot;addict.&quot;  Because, after all, Joe does other stuff that isn&#039;t addictive.  

In &quot;The Morpheus Proposal&quot; I make the analogy to the lesson of the agents, that &quot;anyone still hard wired into their system&quot; can become an agent of the state.  That&#039;s true for people who have much to lose - families, houses, jobs, connections to the grid in all kinds of ways.  They can be persuaded, often without much effort, to spy on their neighbors, etc.

But I&#039;m not sure how many of these people there really are.  You see them portrayed a great deal in film and television.  But how many &quot;man on the street&quot; encounters are locked away in studio archives because they didn&#039;t want to air the cynical view of the person who had a skeptical reaction?  How much of what we experience in others is what they want to show the world, rather than their hidden face?

One also has to wonder how long the instruction set is going to survive in the increasing meme competition going on.  The deuteronomists wrote a passage into the Hebrew bible that demanded that the king read it every day and make a copy of it, adding not one letter to it, taking not one letter away.  Evidently that worked for a few hundred years until Jerusalem was sacked and many Jewish scholars taken away into bondage.

Even without kings, we find groups of, e.g., Essene Jews keeping up the practice so that the bible they copied two thousand years ago is identical in text to the one we have today, character for character.  Except the book of Esther, I think, or something like that.  But the Essenes didn&#039;t need kings, or a temple, or Roman governors to engage in their craft of scholarship.

Nor do we.  Individuals can engage in agorism, programming, web development, art, architecture, and all kinds of other activities without let or permit, without being part of a hierarchy.  Often without being &quot;on the grid&quot; or having a regular job or a regular mortgage payment.  Children respond well to independent study and unschooling and all manner of other opportunities.

The unremarkable persons who go along to get along, who don&#039;t rock the boat, who follow orders pretty well, also don&#039;t innovate very often.  Some do, and change their way of being.  But many wait for the next thing to be supplied by someone else.

Much of what we see in the world today continues only because so many are, as the song says, &quot;waiting on the world to change.&quot;

When enough people are sufficiently fed up, the world will change, again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->There is much to this labeling idea.  Neal Stephenson runs with it in _Cryptonomicon_ pointing out that when you say &#8220;Joe is an addict&#8221; you are also, in a way, saying &#8220;Joe isn&#8217;t a person.  He isn&#8217;t worth regarding as a sovereign individual.  Treat him as you would any other garbage.&#8221;</p>
<p>Enoch Root, the character who goes over this point, says that he prefers the German way of describing it, &#8220;morphium suchtig&#8221; or &#8220;morphine seeking.&#8221;  That describes his behavior, but doesn&#8217;t replace Joe with &#8220;addict.&#8221;  Because, after all, Joe does other stuff that isn&#8217;t addictive.  </p>
<p>In &#8220;The Morpheus Proposal&#8221; I make the analogy to the lesson of the agents, that &#8220;anyone still hard wired into their system&#8221; can become an agent of the state.  That&#8217;s true for people who have much to lose &#8211; families, houses, jobs, connections to the grid in all kinds of ways.  They can be persuaded, often without much effort, to spy on their neighbors, etc.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not sure how many of these people there really are.  You see them portrayed a great deal in film and television.  But how many &#8220;man on the street&#8221; encounters are locked away in studio archives because they didn&#8217;t want to air the cynical view of the person who had a skeptical reaction?  How much of what we experience in others is what they want to show the world, rather than their hidden face?</p>
<p>One also has to wonder how long the instruction set is going to survive in the increasing meme competition going on.  The deuteronomists wrote a passage into the Hebrew bible that demanded that the king read it every day and make a copy of it, adding not one letter to it, taking not one letter away.  Evidently that worked for a few hundred years until Jerusalem was sacked and many Jewish scholars taken away into bondage.</p>
<p>Even without kings, we find groups of, e.g., Essene Jews keeping up the practice so that the bible they copied two thousand years ago is identical in text to the one we have today, character for character.  Except the book of Esther, I think, or something like that.  But the Essenes didn&#8217;t need kings, or a temple, or Roman governors to engage in their craft of scholarship.</p>
<p>Nor do we.  Individuals can engage in agorism, programming, web development, art, architecture, and all kinds of other activities without let or permit, without being part of a hierarchy.  Often without being &#8220;on the grid&#8221; or having a regular job or a regular mortgage payment.  Children respond well to independent study and unschooling and all manner of other opportunities.</p>
<p>The unremarkable persons who go along to get along, who don&#8217;t rock the boat, who follow orders pretty well, also don&#8217;t innovate very often.  Some do, and change their way of being.  But many wait for the next thing to be supplied by someone else.</p>
<p>Much of what we see in the world today continues only because so many are, as the song says, &#8220;waiting on the world to change.&#8221;</p>
<p>When enough people are sufficiently fed up, the world will change, again.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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