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Rising renunciation of US citizenship

7 April 2010 by Mike Gogulski
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Coming up on the second anniversary of nostate.com’s inception, I’ve now received a number of inquiries from people considering renouncing their US citizenship, for various reasons.

These were coming to me at a rate of one every three to four months, until last week. In this past week, I’ve been contacted by three different people aiming to renounce US citizenship. Sure, that might just be random cluster in the data, but it seems significant.

And then there’s this:

More Americans Give Up Citizenship As IRS Gets Aggressive Overseas

By Martin Vaughan, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

The number of American citizens and green-card holders severing their ties with the U.S. soared in the latter part of 2009, amid looming U.S. tax increases and a more aggressive posture by the Internal Revenue Service towards Americans living overseas.

According to public records, just over 500 people worldwide renounced U.S. citizenship or permanent residency in the fourth quarter of 2009, the most recent period for which data are available. That is more people than have cut ties with the U.S. during all of 2007, and more than double the total expatriations in 2008.

The author, Martin Vaughn, contacted me via Facebook, having found his way to my blog. Since he was looking specifically for people who had or who were considering expatriating for tax reasons, I couldn’t really help him, and the article came out a few days later.

There’s one factual error I spotted in the article:

In order to give up U.S. citizenship, a person must obtain or have citizenship in another country.

Ah, facts…

  1. 11 Responses to “Rising renunciation of US citizenship”

  2. By kris on 8 April 2010

    about those facts…

    http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

    Please look at “E”.

    You’d still be on the hook for US tax – despite no longer being a citizen.

  3. By gilliganscorner on 10 April 2010

    Eventually a government’s parasitic predations on its hosts (the victims that give sanction to it) overwhelms it and consumes it. Always.

    Wonder if the Greeks are going to make like trees and leave?

    Like the Icelanders are:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100407/lf_afp/icelandeconomysocialimmigration_20100407153600

    The remaining people are beginning to see that they (and their future kids) are going to be indebted, thanks to the slavery sold to them (and all of us) via the “social contract” fallacy.

    The government of Iceland is running out of victims left to prey on. As the tax base dwindles, the remaining people will be monetarily cannibalized.

    We would do well to pay attention here.

  4. By Mark McCoy on 9 May 2010

    The “expatriation: process is the process created by the State for its subjects. It is akin to a divorce where the dissolution is nothing more than a procedure whereby the State mediates the terms for the waiving of certain privileges, but does nothing to recognize the natural rights of the moving party.

    I don’t believe truly free people need a process. They need but declare their position and then live accordingly, damn the consequences.

    This is the approach I took. For what it is worth.

    http://markmccoy.com/declaration.html

  5. By Mike Gogulski on 10 May 2010

    Hiya, Mark! Thanks for stopping by.

    You’re absolutely right in the best of senses of course. On the other hand, we are truly not free people in my view.

  6. By baliheart on 17 June 2010

    americans are completely brainwashed into thiniking that other countries can not offer the same standard of living or better inlcuding greater freedoms then in the usa..

  7. By Nivas on 26 July 2010

    1. If you renunciate US citizenship, what is the Citizenship status. Will you be Indian or US Green card holder?
    2. If spouse continues to have US Citizenship, will I have eligibility to get into US and on what visa status?
    3. How do I become Indian Citizen before renunciating US Citizenship?
    4. What about eligibility of the Social Security?
    5. How do convert from OCI to Indian Citizenship?
    6. How long an OCI holder has to in India to apply for Indian Citizenship and where to apply?
    7. Renunciating US Citizenship will it have any implications on family members who has US Citizenship?
    8. After renunciation of US citizenship, will I be eligible to travel US and what visa status?
    9. How does a person who renunciates US Citizenship, Can he/she reapply for US Green card?
    10. Who is the lawyer in Inddia to enquire/handle OCI to Indian citizenship issues?
    11. What are the rights that will not have if I have an OCI card (ex: voting right) like owning a business, agri lands, writing eamcet, aieee, iit exams, etc.
    12. If wife is US citizen on OCI, should I still pay us federal tax??
    13. Can your kids inherit all your properties if they are US citizens on OCI card – agricultural lands, bank accounts, etc??
    14. What are the advantages AND disadvantages of renunciation US citizenship??
    15. Will your social security payment increase from your current number as years go by? And is your wife eligible for it even after you renunciate??
    16. Can you convert all your Indian properties into US dollars or is there a limitation??

  8. By Mark McCoy on 29 September 2010

    Mike,

    Thanks for the “friend” on Facebook.
    I wanted to inquire further about your comment about not being “truly free”. Is this in regards to one adopting a status of “citizenship” or in the broader philosophical sense of the meaning of freedom?

    I have to agree that citizenship is a bane that carries allegiance and duties to arbitrary and coercive control of others. I also agree, in a sense, that the reality of this world imposes a system upon many that is injurious to freedom and human progression. There are not many options for one to live their lives unfettered, despite how peaceable they may be. That is most unfortunate.

    I have been following your journey and admire you for reaching the truly “stateless” existence. Although you must possess some document to be allowed to cross fictional borders, I understand the “reality”. I am pursuing other remedies but hope to be “officially” (as far as officially is relevant) stateless but have taken a spouse whom I must also consider before uprooting this other existence.

    I’ll be seeing you around on Facebook and observing from afar your progress and successes.

    Peace.

    Mark McCoy

  9. By Mike Gogulski on 1 November 2010

    @Mark: I mean that as long as we live in societies structured around coercion and privilege, we’re not free.

  10. By LG on 28 November 2010

    I have every intention of leaving the US and renouncing my citizenship as soon as I get where I’m going.

    I’m positive that I can absolutely find a better quality of life and more freedoms outside of the US. Overzealous America patriots fail to see just how oppressive their government really is.

  11. By Melody on 7 July 2011

    Kris,
    I believe E. refers to obligations incurred before dissolution of citizenship, meaning that dissolving U.S. citizenship will not free you from any outstanding tax obligations.

  12. By JT on 15 August 2012

    I am renouncing on Sept 10. and if your taxes have been kept current with the IRS up to the date you renounce, they will not tax you anymore. The expatriate law was changed. How do I know this? The lady at the US Consulate told me so.

    And yes, I have a wonderful life here in Toronto with my husband and 10 yr old adopted son where we are federally protected as a family and recognized AS A FAMILY with National Health care and a pretty solid economy.

    I have spent years here contemplating the benefit being a second class US citizen, and I cannot think of any. I have been good to others, never committed a crime, paid my taxes and still I am considered second rate.

    The door closes soon and I can breathe. All the paperwork and harassment to prove I am worthy of US citizenship is nothing more than a scare tactic and I ain’t buying it.

    I am living a life of courage… not being demeaned and bullied.

    Love and light all.


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