Comments on: Renunciation as divorce

By: Ronin

Ronin — Sun, 01 May 2011 04:00:44 +0000

And now, SUPERMAN will be joining the legion of renunciants. Is that cool, or what?! Who’da thunk it?

By: Mike Gogulski

Mike Gogulski — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:50:53 +0000

@Robert: According to US law, citizenship can only be renounced before a consular officer outside of US territory. To the second point, no, because the Nationality Act (or whatever it’s called) provides for involuntary loss of citizenship in certain circumstances, such as by joining a foreign military force in conflict against the US.

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:57:07 +0000

Thank you for answering that question, Mike Gogulski.

Next two questions. Expatriate, literally means “leave the homeland”.

In your opinion,(1) does one have to leave their homeland in order to withdraw from membership in the political corporation?
And,(2)does one have to ask the government’s “permission” to withdraw from membership in the political corporation, as you seem to infer with this statement, “My belief is that the State Department isn’t obligated to validate the 8854…”?

By: Mike Gogulski

Mike Gogulski — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:27:44 +0000

@Robert: I haven’t been, and don’t anticipate being forced to become a citizen of any country. Evidently, the Black’s definition is incomplete.

By: Robert

Robert — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:20:11 +0000

According to my copy of Black’s Law Dictionary (c.1991), expatriation is: “The voluntary act of abandoning or renouncing one’s country, and becoming the citizen or subject of another.” [Emphasis added]

So, now my question changes to, will you be, or have you been, forced to become “the citizen or subject or another [country]” as that definition seems to state?

By: Ronin

Ronin — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:17:42 +0000

Could you please expand on that for my benefit? I mean do you use a totally phony address or a forwardable one?

By: Mike Gogulski

Mike Gogulski — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:38:29 +0000

My “official” address has been different from where I actually live for a good long while now

By: Ronin

Ronin — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:36:57 +0000

As divorces go, one is usually loathe to provide the ex with one’s actual home address. So, my question is, did you provide your actual address onon the forms? I’m filling mine out now, including the ones to the Infernal Robbery Service, but rather not give my actual domicile location. Any tips you can offer?

By: Robert

Robert — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:40:16 +0000

Never mind my last question, Mike, I found the answer by looking up Form 884 — expatriation, not secession.

According to my copy of Black’s Law Dictionary (c.1991), expatriation is: “The voluntary act of abandoning or renouncing one’s country, and becoming the citizen or subject of another.” [Emphasis added]

So, now my question changes to, will you be, or have you been, forced to become “the citizen or subject or another [country]” as that definition seems to state?

By: Robert

Robert — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:16:55 +0000

A quick question for Mike. Are you talking about seceding or expatriating?