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> <channel><title>Comments on: The Golden Rule is insufficient</title> <atom:link href="http://www.nostate.com/623/the-golden-rule-is-insufficient/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.nostate.com/623/the-golden-rule-is-insufficient/</link> <description>ACCESS ALL AREAS</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:39:04 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Tony</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/623/the-golden-rule-is-insufficient/comment-page-1/#comment-7159</link> <dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:21:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=623#comment-7159</guid> <description>This may sound childish and I hope it is received in such a manner, at least heart to heart.
I have studied religions and various versions of the bible and I beleive after much study that bible teaching does offer a natural conclusion and way of life to be practiced, if you break it down to the most important lesson.
It is difficult to explain in short but when questioned by the gurus of his day about the greatest commandment, Christ merely summarized the ten commandments, the 1st -4th by saying love God with all your heart mind and soul and 5-10th with, love your neighbor as yourself.
For those who see no wisdom in a God I would say, it sets the stage to understand that we as people don&#039;t have all the answers and mostly there is only one God and we are not it.
My job or debt I owe to others with this in mind, is to not try to lord over others because I am not the lord, my debt I owe is to love others by practicing love, remembering love in action is not feelings, love is doing the commandments towards others. Not to murder, not to steal not to lie, etc, this is love in practice, i di say practice because no one can be perfect, to me as close to a perfect heart we can have is one that is earnestly trying to do love and learning from life&#039;s mistakes as we go and asking forgiveness of others when we do screw up.
Another beautiful part to this is, I can apply this love even to those I don&#039;t like, even if they don&#039;t apply love towards me, it is the way to love even my enemies, by not returning hatred.
Spreading the love of God to me means to whatever level I practice love towards others, these rules of accountability are natural and etched on our hearts, no one has to define stealing when it happens to us or others, generally, if we are not hardened to it, or had our innocence to feel these things erased from our hearts, we recognize the pain of it.
That is also why I beleive Christ spent so much time using children as an example and saying, unless we can become as one of them, in no way can we see the kingdom of heaven, he also said the kingdom of heaven is within.
What does it mean when people say God is love or things like spreading god&#039;s love, or the holy &#039;Spirit&#039; I would say his spirit is known and re-created through those practicing love.
When I lie to others or a spouse for example, the pain that produces is in my mind and heart what I would consider a sin, because it is a sin against her very nature or the natural pain it produced in her and myself for doing it to her.
This applies to all aspects of breaking these simple rules against each other, using them creates feelings of love or hatred whgen they are broken. Simple psychology in a world gone mad.
It is the God/love in us or lack of, that re-creates a heaven or hell in our lives and world.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may sound childish and I hope it is received in such a manner, at least heart to heart.</p><p>I have studied religions and various versions of the bible and I beleive after much study that bible teaching does offer a natural conclusion and way of life to be practiced, if you break it down to the most important lesson.</p><p>It is difficult to explain in short but when questioned by the gurus of his day about the greatest commandment, Christ merely summarized the ten commandments, the 1st -4th by saying love God with all your heart mind and soul and 5-10th with, love your neighbor as yourself.</p><p>For those who see no wisdom in a God I would say, it sets the stage to understand that we as people don&#8217;t have all the answers and mostly there is only one God and we are not it.</p><p>My job or debt I owe to others with this in mind, is to not try to lord over others because I am not the lord, my debt I owe is to love others by practicing love, remembering love in action is not feelings, love is doing the commandments towards others. Not to murder, not to steal not to lie, etc, this is love in practice, i di say practice because no one can be perfect, to me as close to a perfect heart we can have is one that is earnestly trying to do love and learning from life&#8217;s mistakes as we go and asking forgiveness of others when we do screw up.</p><p>Another beautiful part to this is, I can apply this love even to those I don&#8217;t like, even if they don&#8217;t apply love towards me, it is the way to love even my enemies, by not returning hatred.</p><p>Spreading the love of God to me means to whatever level I practice love towards others, these rules of accountability are natural and etched on our hearts, no one has to define stealing when it happens to us or others, generally, if we are not hardened to it, or had our innocence to feel these things erased from our hearts, we recognize the pain of it.</p><p>That is also why I beleive Christ spent so much time using children as an example and saying, unless we can become as one of them, in no way can we see the kingdom of heaven, he also said the kingdom of heaven is within.</p><p>What does it mean when people say God is love or things like spreading god&#8217;s love, or the holy &#8216;Spirit&#8217; I would say his spirit is known and re-created through those practicing love.</p><p>When I lie to others or a spouse for example, the pain that produces is in my mind and heart what I would consider a sin, because it is a sin against her very nature or the natural pain it produced in her and myself for doing it to her.</p><p>This applies to all aspects of breaking these simple rules against each other, using them creates feelings of love or hatred whgen they are broken. Simple psychology in a world gone mad.</p><p>It is the God/love in us or lack of, that re-creates a heaven or hell in our lives and world.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel Shorthouse</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/623/the-golden-rule-is-insufficient/comment-page-1/#comment-3316</link> <dc:creator>Daniel Shorthouse</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:35:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=623#comment-3316</guid> <description>Er... that is, &quot;most, given the choice to cease such payment without negative consequences, would do so&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er&#8230; that is, &#8220;most, given the choice to cease such payment without negative consequences, would do so&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel Shorthouse</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/623/the-golden-rule-is-insufficient/comment-page-1/#comment-3315</link> <dc:creator>Daniel Shorthouse</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:33:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=623#comment-3315</guid> <description>Would you have others initiate force against you?
No; that is impossible. If a person wished to have others &quot;initiate force&quot; against him, then it would be by his consent - in which case it is not, ethically speaking, force at all. He would, then, only wish not to have other people compel him to abandon his fetish for subordination, which again demonstrates a preference for non-aggression.
Even those who willingly pay taxes would prefer not to have their choice TO pay taxes removed from them; and most, given the choice to cease such payment without negative consequences.
So the Golden Rule is quite sufficient to constitute a universal ethic, when it is applied categorically instead of restricted to specific cases. Properly understood, it is a restatement of the non-aggression principle.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you have others initiate force against you?</p><p>No; that is impossible. If a person wished to have others &#8220;initiate force&#8221; against him, then it would be by his consent &#8211; in which case it is not, ethically speaking, force at all. He would, then, only wish not to have other people compel him to abandon his fetish for subordination, which again demonstrates a preference for non-aggression.</p><p>Even those who willingly pay taxes would prefer not to have their choice TO pay taxes removed from them; and most, given the choice to cease such payment without negative consequences.</p><p>So the Golden Rule is quite sufficient to constitute a universal ethic, when it is applied categorically instead of restricted to specific cases. Properly understood, it is a restatement of the non-aggression principle.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Market Anarchist Carnival no. 20 &#124; nostate.com</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/623/the-golden-rule-is-insufficient/comment-page-1/#comment-2543</link> <dc:creator>Market Anarchist Carnival no. 20 &#124; nostate.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:58:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=623#comment-2543</guid> <description>[...] Hosting the carnival gives me a little bit of power, which of course begs to be abused. In that spirit, I present also two things that I wrote this past month: Agorism and ancap panarchy - a response to an Obama voter, and The Golden Rule is insufficient. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hosting the carnival gives me a little bit of power, which of course begs to be abused. In that spirit, I present also two things that I wrote this past month: Agorism and ancap panarchy &#8211; a response to an Obama voter, and The Golden Rule is insufficient. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike Gogulski</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/623/the-golden-rule-is-insufficient/comment-page-1/#comment-1127</link> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:31:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=623#comment-1127</guid> <description>brmerrick: Long overdue, but thanks very much for this insight.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brmerrick: Long overdue, but thanks very much for this insight.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steven</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/623/the-golden-rule-is-insufficient/comment-page-1/#comment-853</link> <dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:58:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=623#comment-853</guid> <description>Just be thankful your neighbour was not suicidal or into pain fetish.
The Golden rule should be revised to; do unto others as you would have done unto you AND as they would have done unto them.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just be thankful your neighbour was not suicidal or into pain fetish.</p><p>The Golden rule should be revised to; do unto others as you would have done unto you AND as they would have done unto them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: brmerrick</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/623/the-golden-rule-is-insufficient/comment-page-1/#comment-852</link> <dc:creator>brmerrick</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:25:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=623#comment-852</guid> <description>I agree with Philip.  I think Mike&#039;s friend is copping out with his explanation of The Golden Rule.  By Mike&#039;s friend&#039;s reasoning, &quot;If I&#039;m in a library and I feel like being loud, I should permit others to be loud at the library.&quot;  That reasoning is faulty.  That means rapists could use The Golden Rule to give an excuse for rape.  &quot;If I were a woman, I&#039;d want to have rough sex with me.&quot;
Mike&#039;s friend has forgotten what The Golden Rule is all about.  First, he must put himself in another&#039;s shoes.  Having money taken by violent force is something that most people find hurtful.  It makes one feel violated, betrayed.  It can also make one fearful.  After understanding where the other person is coming from, then you apply The Golden Rule.
If Mike&#039;s friend wants help with his greed, then tell him to ask the government to take his money AND ONLY HIS.  Then he can spread the message about how good it feels to be legally required to hand his money over to the government, just as we are selling people the message of anarchy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Philip.  I think Mike&#8217;s friend is copping out with his explanation of The Golden Rule.  By Mike&#8217;s friend&#8217;s reasoning, &#8220;If I&#8217;m in a library and I feel like being loud, I should permit others to be loud at the library.&#8221;  That reasoning is faulty.  That means rapists could use The Golden Rule to give an excuse for rape.  &#8220;If I were a woman, I&#8217;d want to have rough sex with me.&#8221;</p><p>Mike&#8217;s friend has forgotten what The Golden Rule is all about.  First, he must put himself in another&#8217;s shoes.  Having money taken by violent force is something that most people find hurtful.  It makes one feel violated, betrayed.  It can also make one fearful.  After understanding where the other person is coming from, then you apply The Golden Rule.</p><p>If Mike&#8217;s friend wants help with his greed, then tell him to ask the government to take his money AND ONLY HIS.  Then he can spread the message about how good it feels to be legally required to hand his money over to the government, just as we are selling people the message of anarchy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Philip</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/623/the-golden-rule-is-insufficient/comment-page-1/#comment-851</link> <dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:49:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=623#comment-851</guid> <description>That&#039;s just a weasel cop-out. Would he want to be taxed if he objected to taxation? Of course not.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s just a weasel cop-out. Would he want to be taxed if he objected to taxation? Of course not.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Protogoth</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/623/the-golden-rule-is-insufficient/comment-page-1/#comment-850</link> <dc:creator>Protogoth</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:20:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=623#comment-850</guid> <description>The Inverse Golden Rule is a much better ethical formulation:
&quot;Do not do unto others that which they would not want done unto them.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Inverse Golden Rule is a much better ethical formulation:</p><p>&#8220;Do not do unto others that which they would not want done unto them.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike Gogulski</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/623/the-golden-rule-is-insufficient/comment-page-1/#comment-838</link> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:01:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=623#comment-838</guid> <description>I share the optimism, Mr. Crazy Cow, though I don&#039;t base it on any sort of religious belief. I also think there is a certain degree of innate aggression which either served us well through pre-conscious pre-history, or at least is unworthy of condemnation since doing so would be to negate our own existence. But it is this lack of the underpinning I&#039;m really decrying here. I see people employing the Golden Rule as justification for undesirable things whether they are religious or not, and quite often when they don&#039;t share the values you and I do, even when those values arise from differing schools of thought. I don&#039;t know how you&#039;ve squared anarchism with Christianity yourself, but it strikes me as difficult to arrive at the position &quot;humans are ends in themselves&quot; when the biblical teaching -- particularly the old testament material -- portrays our conspecifics as mere playthings for God&#039;s whims and this whims of His earthly favorites so often. Nice to have your comment here, by the way!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share the optimism, Mr. Crazy Cow, though I don&#8217;t base it on any sort of religious belief. I also think there is a certain degree of innate aggression which either served us well through pre-conscious pre-history, or at least is unworthy of condemnation since doing so would be to negate our own existence. But it is this lack of the underpinning I&#8217;m really decrying here. I see people employing the Golden Rule as justification for undesirable things whether they are religious or not, and quite often when they don&#8217;t share the values you and I do, even when those values arise from differing schools of thought. I don&#8217;t know how you&#8217;ve squared anarchism with Christianity yourself, but it strikes me as difficult to arrive at the position &#8220;humans are ends in themselves&#8221; when the biblical teaching &#8212; particularly the old testament material &#8212; portrays our conspecifics as mere playthings for God&#8217;s whims and this whims of His earthly favorites so often. Nice to have your comment here, by the way!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
