Oh yes. What’s the movie where more than half the people in the world are actually aliens controlling everybody? And like, the money and billboards and everything actually say things like “don’t think, just buy” and stuff like that?
*nod* I’m sure this has happened to you before but for me it was like…something I had understood subconsciously for a long time that someone was able to eloquently express better than I ever could have. My husband was the one that got me to watch it. I’ll have to wave him at your blog, I’m betting he’d enjoy it.
I’ve had a casual internet friend for a few years now. We met in a free-birthing community. This may not seem significant except that many women that choose this route for birthing their families often also have an extreme disillusionment about the system in general, not just the great medical business that runs our country. A lot of different subjects came up for discussion in that group (vaccines, legislature, homeschooling, propoganda, the legalization of weed, economics, the war on terror, child protective services, big brother, etc etc etc) and over time we I realized we had a lot of the same ideas fueled by the same anger. She has not been active in any of our shared communities in quite a while but recently she posted a link here on her blog (to your clown suit defense article which is very close to home for both of us on a few different levels).
My husband is an anarcho-capitalist at heart and has been since I met him as a teenager. Many of your ideas are not new to me and I’m curious about your choice to renounce your citizenship. Aren’t you at all concerned that you’ll suffer the same disillusionment about any other human-run government? Not to say that they are all corrupt like ours but it seems to me that the US is not alone in it’s corruption. I’m not sure if we can ever really get away from it, I guess is what I’m saying.
Rebekah: interesting, and somewhat as I expected from looking over some of the posts on your site briefly. The “clown suit defense” post has garnered a lot of attention via the StumbleUpon service, but I thought that my posting about free-birthing and government/medical guild moves against it (http://www.nostate.com/205/parsing-the-politicization-of-childbirth/) would have been on your path rather than that one.
The more I write here and the more I see where response and interest comes from, I am continually surprised, mostly at my own ignorance. People come to the freedom philosophy from all different directions, some with contexts and backgrounds entirely unlike my own. This is greatly encouraging, as it’s a confirmation of what I think a great many of us tell ourselves: no matter where a person is or what they do or what their background, there is something about the human animal that is in fact common to all, the desire to live free.
That something as ordinary as choosing to give birth at home is is practically a revolutionary act in today’s western societies is a telling indicator of just how unfree we really are.
My renunciation next month will result in me becoming stateless. After that I will have to decide if I want to seek citizenship in Slovakia or a different country. I have no illusion that the government here or anywhere is is fundamentally more benign (or, rather, less malevolent) than that of the United States — the corruption, to me, is an essential part of the nature of government itself. Comparisons are still possible, however, and if I’m going to be compelled to pay taxes wherever I go anyway, I would rather pay them to a small, geopolitically weaker government which is a far lesser party to the types of crimes I fled in leaving America.
The renunciation, ultimately, is a symbolic act, my middle finger extended perpetually against Leviathan. But this is a thing of words and paper, and certainly not a path to escaping government — a thing, ultimately, of bullets and blood.
Liv: Thanks for the encouragement! I’ve been seeing you pop up in my referrer logs from time to time
Thank you for pointing me at that article, it was excellent. Freebirthing for me may very well be symbolic, in a sense, much like your denouncing your citizenship (because the fact it is safer for myself and my children to birth at home instead of the butcher’s den they call maternity wards around here goes without saying, to me). My last child was born at home, footling breech, a month early. I was, of course, investigated by cps and now have “responsible for substantiated neglect” on my permanent file…though nobody can tell me exactly in what way I neglected my child. Even my pediatrician told them to fudge off and stop calling her office or she was going to sue them for harassment. These people are crazy. My daughter, in case you are wondering, managed, somehow, to survive not being born surgically, stuffed in an incubator until she reached 5lbs and amazingly, despite no medical intervention whatsoever, is a healthy, thriving 18mo old little girl. It took them 8mo to find absolutely nothing to charge me with so I have a “record” for nothing. Nothing but looking, conscientiously after the safety and well-being of my baby. The FACT that nobody wants to look at is that had I had her at a hospital, she very well could have died. Their standard procedures for children that are slow start breathing are actually reckless and dangerous…and there is tons of evidence to back it up. Thankfully, we knew what to do (Mother’s are funny like that).
Wow, I totally went on a rant there. My original point is that it comes down to the most basic and fundamental right for human beings: where and how to birth. They want it to be a business so badly that they will incriminate a woman’s basic instincts to protect her child and her body from unwanted abuse. I feel very passionate about this issue in part because I feel it is the perfect example of just how screwed up our society is. You can tell a lot about a culture by how they treat their women and children. We lie to ours, brainwash them into thinking we care about them, their health and their safety, all while we are literally raping them, killing them and slicing and dicing them in the name of making more money. If that isn’t a perfect analogy of the rest of the government’s systems, I don’t know what is. Fall in line, play the game, all your base belong to us.
Rebekah, it’s taken me a while to reply. It’s given me a lot to think about, really. Not surprising as I lack both a womb and your experiences.
It sounds like you’re saying you took on and completely owned an enormous responsibility, the enormous responsibility every mother must take for themselves and for their children. I could see a lot of people reacting to your stance by saying that you put your child at undue risk, but you actually have direct evidence to the contrary. Even if that evidence were missing, still nobody should have challenged your decision to give birth the way you wanted to. Some might try to persuade you that because of certain conditions, certain treatments might be offered to avoid major problems — which sometimes do occur and require medical intervention. But what if you said “no”? Maybe your theory is right and maybe theirs is. What should your penalty be if you made the wrong decision?
There should be no penalty at all. The crime was one the CPS investigators committed happened long before they came knocking on your door. Their fall came when they allowed themselves to adopt the attitude that your decision as a human being and as a mother was to be challenged by the vainglorious brutality of the state.
I find it additionally disturbing that someone reported you to a law enforcement agency. Why? Who are these creatures around us that call themselves human yet act anything but?
I go back to the top. Thanks for the “excellent”; I think there are many other aspects of the “thou shalt only give birth in an Establishment Approved Facility” mentality worthy of criticism, but you know also something of my perspective. Are our stances comparable? I dunno, but I find it certain that if the ultimate battle between good and evil were to come upon us tomorrow that you and I would find ourselves on the same side. Best wishes to your family.
It sounds like you’re saying you took on and completely owned an enormous responsibility, the enormous responsibility every mother must take for themselves and for their children.
*nod* Forgive me for saying so but what is wrong with our society is right there. People do not wish to take responsibility for themselves. They want the system to do it for them. It’s like watching something go down a toilet-it just keeps spiraling down, faster and faster.
that your decision as a human being and as a mother was to be challenged by the vainglorious brutality of the state.
Hmm. Perhaps it could also be read: Your decision as a human being and as a mother was a challenge to the vainglorious and brutal state.” :p That is how I see it. I dared to think that little me might have a better idea of what is safe and right for my family than they did. My social worker actually said to me, “Well, when you do things differently than the rest of society, you have to expect people to call attention to it and take issue with it.” It concerns me that Parents trying to make sure their children don’t get poisoned, brainwashed or killed can be construed as neglectful. It makes my belly constrict in tight bands thinking about it. It’s like “Bad! Badbad! No thinking! Stop it! Thinking is BAD. NO THINKING.”
I think there are many other aspects of the “thou shalt only give birth in an Establishment Approved Facility” mentality worthy of criticism, but you know also something of my perspective.
Ah yes. I could get on a soapbox about it, hehe. It is much like the mentality that says, “Thou shalt only school thy children in State Approved Institutions” or “Thou shalt only use State Approved Medications”, etc.
You said something in an earlier comment I wanted to touch on, too.
I have no illusion that the government here or anywhere is is fundamentally more benign (or, rather, less malevolent) than that of the United States — the corruption, to me, is an essential part of the nature of government itself.
You seem to be convinced that government at all is wrong. That it’s inevitably corrupt just by nature of it’s purpose. Do I understand you correctly?
I had a friend years ago who felt just this way (he was hardcore anarchist). I just kept stumbling on one thing: All the governments in the world are corrupt, but of course I tend to feel most especially this one (I can hear my MIL’s republican blood boiling from here). But a government isn’t a thing. It’s not really a mindless, separate from human entity, is it? The government of any nation is made up of that nation’s people, in some way or another. A huge part of that governing process is the people’s willingness to be governed by it. And, again, it’s PEOPLE. It’s not a computer, it’s not some idea, it is a system of doing things thought up by, run by and implemented by people. Which to me means that government fails, over and over again, because it’s a human institution. So, by that logic, I’m not sure any “system”, even NO system, would ever be flawless or even “good”. People are bastards! I mean, don’t get me wrong, some people are wonderful. It just seems like most people are out for themselves, right? So how is it any shock that any government is corrupt. Government=people=shit. So my question is that with this understanding, how could anarchy, anarcho-capitalism, etc even work? What is to stop people from forming up little communities with self-governance? In fact, I think that is what would ultimately happen. Most people are sheep and driven by some inner idiot to not be responsible for themselves. They WANT to be told how to think. They WANT to be told what to do. They do not want freedom. Because with freedom comes responsibility, a need to know. Much easier to be a slave, preferably an unwitting one. If you managed to get down this far, lol, I’d love to know what you think would be the ideal situation for the humans of society. If government is corrupt by nature (and I’m not entirely sure it’s not, either!) then what is the alternative? What is your utopia?
Rebekah, I hope you don’t mind if I answer in Mike’s place.
You’ve realized the problem is in people’s actions. However, you forget that people have incentives to behave in various ways. Government creates incentives for people to behave in ways that violate other people. In an anarchy, people don’t have that same incentive. And we don’t promote a utopia, but a way of life that allows people to live the way they want as long as they don’t violate other people’s rights.
And as far as people becoming irresponsible, government education has created that incentive in people as they can merely offload their responsibility to government, which is more than happy to take it.
This is all simply said, but I would be happy to answer any questions you have.