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> <channel><title>nostate.com&#187; accounting</title> <atom:link href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/accounting/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.nostate.com</link> <description>ACCESS ALL AREAS</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:00:01 +0000</lastBuildDate> <language>en</language> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>Confrontation with bureaucracy, part 3</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/1201/confrontation-with-bureaucracy-part-3/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/1201/confrontation-with-bureaucracy-part-3/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:55:18 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[diary]]></category> <category><![CDATA[accounting]]></category> <category><![CDATA[bureaucracy]]></category> <category><![CDATA[embassy]]></category> <category><![CDATA[income]]></category> <category><![CDATA[money]]></category> <category><![CDATA[passport]]></category> <category><![CDATA[penalty]]></category> <category><![CDATA[renunciation of citizenship]]></category> <category><![CDATA[tax]]></category> <guid
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href="http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8854.pdf">IRS Form 8854</a>, a delightful document entitled &#8220;Initial and Annual Expatriation Information Statement&#8221;. The IRS wants a full accounting of my situation for the past five years, a statement of assets and liabilities and an income statement. According to <a
href="http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i8854.pdf">the instructions to the form</a>, because I will answer &#8220;no&#8221; to the question &#8220;Do you certify under penalty of perjury that you have complied with all of your tax obligations for the 5 preceding tax years?&#8221;, I will become subject to &#8220;section 877&#8243;, which among other things will require me to file an updated copy of Form 8854 every year for the ten years following my expatriation. The &#8220;Penalties&#8221; section of the instructions contains this gem:</p><blockquote><p>If you are subject to section 877 and required to file Form 8854 for any tax year, and you fail to file or do not include all the information required by the form or the form includes incorrect information, you will owe a penalty of $10,000 for that year, unless it is shown that such failure is due to reasonable cause and not willful neglect.</p></blockquote><p>I will have to answer &#8220;no&#8221; to that question, and thus I will be subject to this penalty, because since 2005 I have not filed a US income tax return. Even though I have had no income subject to US taxation in the last several years, the filing requirement still exists. By the sound of things, and since I do not plan on ever filing an IRS form again after this one, it looks like that by 2019 I will have accumulated $100,000 in penalties, simply for failing to do government-mandated paperwork. A blog doesn&#8217;t really allow one to communicate a sense of profound indifference to the fullest extent. Is it possible, grammatically, to be highly willfully neglectful?</p><p>So, a bit of weekend work ahead for me as I slog through the 8854 in order to clear the hopefully last bureaucratic hurdle. I have another appointment with the Consul at 2:15pm on Monday, at which I will hand in the Form 8854 and surrender my passport.</p> <br
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