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> <channel><title>nostate.com&#187; guns</title> <atom:link href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/guns/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.nostate.com</link> <description>ACCESS ALL AREAS</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:06:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <language>en</language> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>Home-made guns for Iran!</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/2513/home-made-guns-for-iran/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/2513/home-made-guns-for-iran/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:03:12 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[guns]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Iran]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Neda]]></category> <guid
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/>Tags: <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/guns/" title="guns" rel="tag">guns</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/iran/" title="Iran" rel="tag">Iran</a>, <a
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/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/2513/home-made-guns-for-iran/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>2</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>I am not crying. I am not crying. I am not even FUCKING WATCHING THIS. Ya Neda!!!</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/2469/i-am-not-crying-i-am-not-crying-i-am-not-even-fucking-watching-this-ya-neda/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/2469/i-am-not-crying-i-am-not-crying-i-am-not-even-fucking-watching-this-ya-neda/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:41:06 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[crime]]></category> <category><![CDATA[war]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Allah]]></category> <category><![CDATA[democracy]]></category> <category><![CDATA[election]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Facebook]]></category> <category><![CDATA[guns]]></category> <category><![CDATA[internet]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Iran]]></category> <category><![CDATA[murder]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Neda]]></category> <category><![CDATA[protest]]></category> <category><![CDATA[revolution]]></category> <category><![CDATA[video]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=2469</guid> <description><![CDATA[www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDCsp1atehU (YouTube video comment by witness) shery630 June 20, 2009 Place: Karekar Ave., at the corner crossing Khosravi St. and Salehi st. (Tehran) A young woman who was standing aside with her father watching the protests was shot by a basij member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house. He had clear shot at [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><p><a
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDCsp1atehU">www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDCsp1atehU</a></p></p><div
id="attachment_2490" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 210px"><img
class="size-full wp-image-2490" title="Neda Soltani" src="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Neda-Soltani.jpg" alt="Neda Soltani" width="200" height="477" /><p
class="wp-caption-text">Neda Soltani</p></div><p>(YouTube video comment by witness)</p><p><a
href="http://www.youtube.com/user/shery630">shery630</a></p><p>June 20, 2009</p><p>Place: Karekar Ave., at the corner crossing Khosravi St. and Salehi st. (Tehran)</p><p>A young woman who was standing aside with her father watching the protests was shot by a <a
rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basij">basij</a> member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house. He had clear shot at the girl and could not miss her. However, he aimed straight her heart. I am a doctor, so I rushed to try to save her. But the impact of the gunshot was so fierce that the bullet had blasted inside the victim&#8217;s chest, and she died in less than 2 minutes.</p><p>The protests were going on about 1 kilometers away in the main street and some of the protesting crowd were running from tear gass used among them, towards Salehi St.</p><p>The film is shot by my friend who was standing beside me.</p><p>Please let the world know.</p><div
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class="size-full wp-image-2476" title="Neda Soltani" src="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/neda1.jpg" alt="Neda Sultani" width="121" height="189" /><p
class="wp-caption-text">Neda Soltani</p></div><p><a
rel="nofollow" href="http://www.facebook.com/Hussar#/group.php?gid=93968864865">From Facebook</a>:</p><p>Neda Soltani (1982 – 20th June 2009; age 26–27) was an young Iranian woman whose killing, allegedly by Basij militia during the 2009 Iranian election protests, was captured on video by bystanders. The graphic videos were posted on the Internet, and her name quickly became a rallying cry for the opposition.</p><p>Neda means &#8220;voice&#8221; or &#8220;calling&#8221; in Persian, and she has been referred to as the &#8220;voice of Iran&#8221; and &#8220;a symbol&#8221; of this revolution taking place right now. Ya Neda, Ya Neda&#8230;. Ya Neda.</p> <br
/>Tags: <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/allah/" title="Allah" rel="tag">Allah</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/democracy/" title="democracy" rel="tag">democracy</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/election/" title="election" rel="tag">election</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/facebook/" title="Facebook" rel="tag">Facebook</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/guns/" title="guns" rel="tag">guns</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/internet/" title="internet" rel="tag">internet</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/iran/" title="Iran" rel="tag">Iran</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/murder/" title="murder" rel="tag">murder</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/neda/" title="Neda" rel="tag">Neda</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/protest/" title="protest" rel="tag">protest</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/revolution/" title="revolution" rel="tag">revolution</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/video/" title="video" rel="tag">video</a><br
/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/2469/i-am-not-crying-i-am-not-crying-i-am-not-even-fucking-watching-this-ya-neda/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>8</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>BAIL SUPPORT NEEDED: Motorhome Diaries crew jailed in Mississippi</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/2002/bail-support-needed-motorhome-diaries-crew-jailed-in-mississippi/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/2002/bail-support-needed-motorhome-diaries-crew-jailed-in-mississippi/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:50:15 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[activism]]></category> <category><![CDATA[prison]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Adam Mueller]]></category> <category><![CDATA[arrest]]></category> <category><![CDATA[guns]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Jason Talley]]></category> <category><![CDATA[MHD]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Mississippi]]></category> <category><![CDATA[money]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Motorhome Diaries]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Pete Eyre]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=2002</guid> <description><![CDATA[Adam Mueller, Pete Eyre and Jason Talley, Motorhome Diaries crew, have been arrested and jailed in Mississippi. From Free Keene: Adam Mueller &#8211; Disorderly Conduct and Disobeying an Officer Pete Eyre &#8211; Possession of a Beer in a Dry County Jason Talley &#8211; Disorderly Conduct, Disobeying, and Resisting Arrest From elsewhere: Pete Eyre &#8211; also [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam Mueller, Pete Eyre and Jason Talley, Motorhome Diaries crew, have been arrested and jailed in Mississippi.</p><p>From <a
href="http://freekeene.com/2009/05/14/keenes-motorhome-diaries-crew-arrested-in-ms/#">Free Keene</a>:</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Adam Mueller &#8211; Disorderly Conduct and Disobeying an Officer<br
/> Pete Eyre &#8211; Possession of a Beer in a Dry County<br
/> Jason Talley &#8211; Disorderly Conduct, Disobeying, and Resisting Arrest</p><p>From elsewhere:</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Pete Eyre &#8211; also charged with a Federal firearms offense</p><p>From Dan Patrick in the comments there:</p><p
class="commentinfo" style="padding-left: 30px;">May 14, 2009 @ 5:19 pm</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Just spoke with “Stacy” at the jail.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Bail has been set as follows:</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">$1000 each– Pete possession of beer in dry county, Adam disorderly conduct, disobeying</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">$1500 – Jason Possession firearm, disorderly conduct, resisting arrest</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Additionally they will have to pay a towing fee to get MARV out of lockup. She did not have information on where MARV was towed, but said that you’d have to call general dispatch to get that info.</p><p>From Allison Gibbs aka <a
href="http://twitter.com/allisonzayne">Allison Zayne,</a> just landed in Mississippi and trying to get bail together for them and provide other coordination on-scene, via Twitter:</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Here is an update: $1000 pete, $1500 jason. Adam is on hold with ATF. we have to have cash. Western union is the only way. I need a car!</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Western union option #1 food tiger, 615 hill st ellisville ms 29437emai</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Option 1 closes at 8pm. Email me if u do it. We have to havew cash</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Option 2: piggly wiggly 321 n 16th ave laurel ms 39440. Close 7.</p><p>From <a
href="http://twitter.com/planetaryjim">Jim Davidson</a>, via Twitter:</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Send Western Union to Allison GIBBS (not Zayne!) at food tiger, 615 hill st ellisville ms 29437. E-mail her with MTCN.</p><p>UPDATE 6:04pm local time from Allison:</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Need cash within 30 minutes&#8230;let&#8217;s at least gete pete out&#8230;.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Countdown for the night. Wothout a car this is all I can do for the night. Stopping by western union, then the jail&#8230; email me with con &#8230;</p><p>UPDATE 6:05pm local time from Jim Davidson, via Facebook:</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Thanks Mike.  See my recent status update for sending bail money by Western Union.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;"><span
id="profile_status">Western union to Allison Gibbs Food Tiger, 615 hill st ellisville ms 39437. Closes at 8 p.m. tonite so if you are sending Western Union, let me know. I&#8217;ll get MTCN to Allison, or you can.</span></p><p><span>UPDATE 6:09pm local time from Allison:</span></p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;"><span>30 min to send to tiger mart in ellisville!! I have $400 on me&#8230; let&#8217;s get 1 out at least</span></p><p><span>UPDATE: 6:17pm local time from Allison Gibbs:</span></p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;"><span>$300 more bucks and 1 gets out! Western union to allison gibbs: food tiger in ellisville ms, 29437! Confirm it allisonzayne@gmail.com</span></p><p><span>UPDATE: 6:30pm local time:</span></p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;"><span>Old new thread at Free Keene: http://freekeene.com/2009/05/14/update-on-the-mhd-crews-imprisonment/</span></p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;"><span>Best you read there instead of here. Also, search for &#8220;planetaryjim OR allisonzayne OR mhd&#8221; at twitter.com to keep up that way.</span></p><p><span>Going to sleep. Godspeed, you guys&#8230;<br
/> </span></p> <br
/>Tags: <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/adam-mueller/" title="Adam Mueller" rel="tag">Adam Mueller</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/arrest/" title="arrest" rel="tag">arrest</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/guns/" title="guns" rel="tag">guns</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/jason-talley/" title="Jason Talley" rel="tag">Jason Talley</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/mhd/" title="MHD" rel="tag">MHD</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/mississippi/" title="Mississippi" rel="tag">Mississippi</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/money/" title="money" rel="tag">money</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/motorhome-diaries/" title="Motorhome Diaries" rel="tag">Motorhome Diaries</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/pete-eyre/" title="Pete Eyre" rel="tag">Pete Eyre</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/prison/" title="prison" rel="tag">prison</a><br
/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/2002/bail-support-needed-motorhome-diaries-crew-jailed-in-mississippi/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>6</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>DROs and the dangers of the state: explaining market anarchism to a friend</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/1665/dros-and-the-dangers-of-the-state-explaining-market-anarchism-to-a-friend/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/1665/dros-and-the-dangers-of-the-state-explaining-market-anarchism-to-a-friend/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:45:20 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[philosophy]]></category> <category><![CDATA[business]]></category> <category><![CDATA[contract]]></category> <category><![CDATA[guns]]></category> <category><![CDATA[insurance]]></category> <category><![CDATA[justice]]></category> <category><![CDATA[liberty]]></category> <category><![CDATA[market]]></category> <category><![CDATA[money]]></category> <category><![CDATA[order]]></category> <category><![CDATA[profit]]></category> <category><![CDATA[property]]></category> <category><![CDATA[tax]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=1665</guid> <description><![CDATA[Yesterday I spent a couple of hours explaining some of the basics of anarchism to a friend. Let&#8217;s call her &#8220;Jana&#8221;, since that&#8217;s a very common name in Slovakia. That conversation was face-to-face, so there&#8217;s no record. Here, though, is the record of our instant messaging conversation earlier this evening, in its entirety but minus [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I spent a couple of hours explaining some of the basics of anarchism to a friend. Let&#8217;s call her &#8220;Jana&#8221;, since that&#8217;s a very common name in Slovakia.</p><p>That conversation was face-to-face, so there&#8217;s no record. Here, though, is the record of our instant messaging conversation earlier this evening, in its entirety but minus some personal irrelevancies and with typos and whatnot fixed up a bit. This may all be old hat to most of my readers, but who knows?</p><p
style="text-align: left;">[6:44] Jana: Oh, you know what?<br
/> [6:44] Mike: tell me<br
/> [6:44] Jana: I thought about the stateless world some more.<br
/> [6:45] Jana: And I&#8217;d like to know if you assume that by getting rid of government everyone will miraculously become all peaceful and, you know, good.<br
/> [6:45] Mike: certainly not<br
/> [6:46] Mike: there is an interesting way of thinking about this issue<br
/> [6:46] Jana: Because if there are no laws and no prisons&#8230;<br
/> [6:46] Mike: chaos, rampant crime, etc<br
/> [6:46] Jana: What&#8217;s gonna stop the baddies from robbing or killing me?<br
/> [6:46] Mike: well, stand by now<br
/> [6:47] Mike: there are a couple of questions to answer<br
/> [6:47] Jana: Okay.<br
/> [6:47] Mike: the first, and which I tried to dig into the most yesterday, is &#8220;Is the state morally justifiable?&#8221;, and along the way point out a number of reasons why it is not.<br
/> [6:47] Mike: the other question is, &#8220;Is the state necessary, and if not, what alternatives are there?&#8221;<br
/> [6:48] Jana: Okay, so the answer to question 1 is no.<br
/> [6:48] Mike: another way to look at the first question is &#8220;Is there any way to have a state which doesn&#8217;t fail at its primary mission of protecting people and property? Is there a way to constitute a state so that it simply can&#8217;t be evil?&#8221;<br
/> [6:49] Mike: that leads to this:<br
/> [6:49] Mike: there are many ppl in the world<br
/> [6:49] Jana: Yes.<br
/> [6:49] Mike: are they good or are they evil?<br
/> [6:49] Mike: well, there are some options<br
/> [6:49] Jana: Both.<br
/> [6:49] Mike: 1: all ppl are good<br
/> [6:49] Mike: 2: all ppl are evil<br
/> [6:49] Mike: 3: more ppl are good than are evil<br
/> [6:49] Mike: 4: more ppl are evil than are good<br
/> [6:50] Mike: now, in case 1, everyone&#8217;s a saint&#8230; why should a state even be necessary in such case?<br
/> [6:50] Jana: Wait!<br
/> [6:50] Mike: and, since we know that 1 isn&#8217;t true, we can discount it anyway<br
/> [6:50] Jana: There&#8217;s 5: about the same number of people are good as there are bad<br
/> [6:50] Mike: fine, can be, but 3 and 4 turn out to be equivalent propositions anyway<br
/> [6:51] Mike: and the statistical probability of that is miniscule, assuming a mix of &#8220;good&#8221; and &#8220;evil&#8221; human natures, against present world population<br
/> [6:51] Mike: so case 1 is out, because if everyone were saints, there would be no need of a state for crime prevention/investigation/punishment &#8212; there would be no crime<br
/> [6:51] Jana: Exactly.<br
/> [6:52] Mike: now for case 2. if all of us are evil, then will not the MOST evil people try to obtain control of the state, so that they can use its power to aggrandize themselves?<br
/> [6:52] Jana: Probably!<br
/> [6:53] Mike: seems a bit like giving a blank check to those who&#8217;d screw us, even though we might do the same in their position, being as we&#8217;re evil and all<br
/> [6:53] Mike: remember now that being PART OF the state means that you can do things which are disallowed to ordinary citizens<br
/> [6:54] Mike: like: if a police car has a hundred kilos of cocaine in the trunk, the presumption is that it&#8217;s evidence, and that&#8217;s okay.<br
/> [6:54] Jana: Right.<br
/> [6:54] Mike: but if you had a hundred kilos of blow in your trunk, you&#8217;re a criminal, because you don&#8217;t have a fancy uniform, etc.<br
/> [6:54] Jana: Right again.<br
/> [6:54] Mike: so, even a society comprised entirely of evil people ought to recognize that having a state is too dangerous<br
/> [6:55] Mike: now, unless we&#8217;re going to include ourselves in &#8220;everyone is evil&#8221;, #2 doesn&#8217;t really operate anyway<br
/> [6:55] Mike: I don&#8217;t feel particularly evil<br
/> [6:55] Mike: and I doubt you are either<br
/> [6:55] Jana: Me either.<br
/> [6:55] Mike: so we are left with the two mixes<br
/> [6:56] Jana: Okay, now what?<br
/> [6:56] Mike: in case number 4, more people are evil than are good<br
/> [6:57] Mike: well, unless we want evil to triumph here by sheer force of numbers, certainly the GOOD people in that world don&#8217;t want the state, because it&#8217;s bound to be comprised of a majority of evil people with uniforms and official documents &#8212; even forgetting that evil people will TEND to try to become part of the state, so that they can commit crimes with official permission<br
/> [6:57] Jana: No, we don&#8217;t want evil to triumph.<br
/> [6:58] Mike: we have a preference for the good, and tend to reject philosophies which promote evil<br
/> [6:58] Mike: so what about case number three, where most people are good, but some are evil?<br
/> [6:59] Jana: That&#8217;s where we&#8217;d probably want the state.<br
/> [6:59] Jana: And hope not too many evil people would become part of it.<br
/> [6:59] Mike: need I remind you at this point that Adolph Hitler was democratically elected?<br
/> [6:59] Mike: that George W Bush was democratically elected?<br
/> [6:59] Mike: etc?<br
/> [7:00] Mike: and sorry, it&#8217;s not good enough to say &#8220;they cheated&#8221;<br
/> [7:00] Mike: the evil people will ALWAYS cheat to obtain the levers of unaccountable power<br
/> [7:00] Jana: I&#8217;m just saying that in this case we might be interested in having a state.<br
/> [7:00] Jana: Because we want the protection.<br
/> [7:00] Mike: we might be, if we could find that it was both necessary and morally defensible<br
/> [7:01] Jana: I think something is necessary.<br
/> [7:01] Jana: What are the alternatives then?<br
/> [7:01] Jana: I asked you yesterday but we didn&#8217;t get to that part at all.<br
/> [7:01] Mike: we made the observation earlier that having a state results in the division of people into two classes: those who can commit crimes with impunity, and those who may not.<br
/> [7:02] Mike: even if most people are good, if we have a state, we create a vehicle for the evil people to commit their crimes without facing any consequences.<br
/> [7:02] Mike: seems like a rather risky proposition, especially in light of the historical record of what states&#8217; agents have actually done<br
/> [7:03] Jana: But some did end up in prison.<br
/> [7:03] Jana: Or executed.<br
/> [7:03] Jana: Or something.<br
/> [7:03] Mike: yes, that&#8217;s true. but how did that help their victims, both living and dead?<br
/> [7:04] Jana: Those who were victims already probably not much, but at least there were no more victims.<br
/> [7:09] Mike: so, we probably both agree to the proposition that crime is not desirable, and should be eliminated or at least minimized.<br
/> [7:10] Jana: Yes, please.<br
/> [7:10] Jana: And how do we go about that?<br
/> [7:10] Mike: so let&#8217;s think about crime for a sec<br
/> [7:10] Jana: (think)<br
/> [7:11] Mike: if you believe, as I do, that taxation is theft, and therefore no more honorable than a robbery in the street, and that the killings done by soldiers and police in uniforms are generally murders, then you realize there&#8217;s a whole shitload of crime out there that is legally defined otherwise.<br
/> [7:11] Jana: Okay, yes.<br
/> [7:12] Mike: so by simply getting rid of the state and the privilege that attaches to states&#8217; agents, a huge amount of evil acts are prohibited straight off<br
/> [7:12] Mike: in addition to this, there are HUGE numbers of peaceful acts which are defined by states to be crimes, even though they really aren&#8217;t<br
/> [7:12] Mike: the cocaine in the car, for example<br
/> [7:12] Mike: no victim, no crime<br
/> [7:13] Mike: failing to pay taxes leads to being classed as a criminal<br
/> [7:13] Mike: operating a business without a license<br
/> [7:13] Mike: immigrating without state permission<br
/> [7:13] Mike: and on and on<br
/> [7:13] Jana: Right.<br
/> [7:14] Mike: real crimes, the ones that all of us rightly fear and wish to eliminate, are those which violate the life, liberty or property of one or more other persons<br
/> [7:14] Mike: one cannot commit a crime against oneself, by definition (despite this, suicide is illegal in many places)<br
/> [7:14] Jana: Illegal?<br
/> [7:15] Mike: so, once again by getting rid of the state, we see that a huge part of the &#8220;crime problem&#8221; simply evaporates<br
/> [7:15] Jana: So if you kill yourself, you can be charged, too?<br
/> [7:15] Jana: Yes, a huge part, but the part we really care about doesn&#8217;t.<br
/> [7:15] Mike: well, some people who have attempted suicide have been charged, yes&#8230; doesn&#8217;t happen often, but the laws are on the books in places<br
/> [7:16] Jana: The real crimes that violate the life, liberty and property.<br
/> [7:16] Jana: Crazy, man.<br
/> [7:16] Mike: right: murder, theft, arson, extortion, rape, kidnapping, enslavement, etc.<br
/> [7:16] Mike: and fraud<br
/> [7:18] Mike: now let&#8217;s think a bit about what&#8217;s usually called &#8220;justice&#8221;<br
/> [7:18] Mike: if someone comes and robs you of your money, or burns down your flat, or kills your dog, what benefit is it to YOU if that person is caged in a concrete and steel box for a period of years as a punishment?<br
/> [7:19] Jana: I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;d rather get my money or my flat back. Or kill him back for killing my dog.<br
/> [7:20] Mike: now you&#8217;re onto something<br
/> [7:20] Mike: you&#8217;d like to have your situation restored to be at least as good as it was prior to the crime<br
/> [7:20] Jana: Exactly.<br
/> [7:20] Mike: you&#8217;d also probably like to be compensated to some degree for the bother and hassle of having to go through that<br
/> [7:20] Jana: And maybe get some cash as compensation for my trouble.<br
/> [7:20] Jana: Yes.<br
/> [7:20] Mike: punitive damages or something, right<br
/> [7:21] Mike: now, in the law, when we get to acts like these, we find there is a big difference in how those cases go to the courts, versus the cases like, say, your tree fell on my house and I want you to pay damages<br
/> [7:21] Mike: those are &#8220;civil&#8221; cases, where it&#8217;s &#8220;Mr. White vs. Mr. Green&#8221; in the court documents.<br
/> [7:21] Jana: Right.<br
/> [7:22] Mike: alleged victim and alleged perpetrator come to court, and in theory the process should determine if a harm (a &#8220;tort&#8221;, in the legal language) occurred, and if so, how the victim of that tort can be made whole again<br
/> [7:23] Mike: if, instead of Mr. Green&#8217;s tree falling on Mr. White&#8217;s house, Mr. Green goes and burns Mr. White&#8217;s house to the ground, the court documents are not going to be able &#8220;White v. Green&#8221;<br
/> [7:23] Mike: they will be &#8220;THE STATE v. Green&#8221;<br
/> [7:24] Jana: Because Mr. White burned to death?<br
/> [7:24] Mike: Mr. White was away on holiday in this case<br
/> [7:24] Jana: Oh, good.<br
/> [7:24] Mike: or escaped, whatever<br
/> [7:24] Mike: yes, lucky for Mr. White, eh? <img
src='http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br
/> [7:24] Jana: <img
src='http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br
/> [7:25] Mike: so what happens is that the state takes Mr. Green into court and charges him with the crime of arson<br
/> [7:25] Mike: and some prosecuting lawyers get on the case and work to prove that Mr. Green is guilty of the crime of arson, and if so, how long he should spend in prison for that.<br
/> [7:25] Mike: the interests of the real victim, here, Mr. White, are largely pushed to the side.<br
/> [7:26] Jana: Oh!<br
/> [7:26] Mike: the fact that Mr. White was threatened or inconvenienced by Green&#8217;s action is not really under consideration. What must be proven is that Mr. Green *broke the law*<br
/> [7:26] Jana: Well, great.<br
/> [7:26] Mike: all kinds of problems, here<br
/> [7:28] Mike: among other things, it means that the victim&#8217;s interests are not really being represented in the search for &#8220;justice&#8221;<br
/> [7:28] Mike: in terms of penalties, what the state seeks is punishment of the criminal (in order to deter others from committing crimes), rather than recompense for the victim(s)<br
/> [7:29] Jana: Well, this side effect of the punishment is actually quite welcome.<br
/> [7:29] Mike: deterrence is necessary, sure<br
/> [7:29] Mike: what Mr. White really wants here is a new house and some money to compensate his inconvenience and stress<br
/> [7:30] Mike: that money ought to come from Mr. Green, or, perhaps, from some sort of insurance that Mr. White purchased against such an eventuality.<br
/> [7:30] Mike: what we get into next is a topic that has been done at book-length by several authors<br
/> [7:30] Jana: What&#8217;s that?<br
/> [7:31] Mike: assumption: there&#8217;s no state, but there&#8217;s still some crime<br
/> [7:31] Mike: what are you gonna do about it?<br
/> [7:31] Mike: Well, as I said yesterday, you can go buy a bunch of guns, and defend yourself, or try to extract compensation from people who commit crimes against you by force.<br
/> [7:32] Mike: that works, to some degree&#8230; if a robber sees you walking alone in the woods today, his estimation of the likelihood you&#8217;re carrying a pistol is probably close to zero, because the state makes it very difficult for you to do that<br
/> [7:33] Jana: And I don&#8217;t really want to carry a gun anyway.<br
/> [7:33] Mike: well, if there were no state and no alternative, I think you might rapidly change your mind about that<br
/> [7:33] Jana: Probably.<br
/> [7:33] Mike: fair enough<br
/> [7:34] Jana: But that&#8217;s why I still think having a state is more convenient than having none.<br
/> [7:34] Mike: first of all, in the absence of states, a lot more people would take matters of personal self-defense into their own hands, as is their right. I myself would almost certainly carry a pistol nearly everywhere I went.<br
/> [7:35] Jana: As would a lot of psychos.<br
/> [7:35] Mike: well, that is precisely WHY we want to be well armed<br
/> [7:35] Mike: we don&#8217;t need to worry about normal people with weapons<br
/> [7:36] Mike: so there&#8217;s one idea. if the would-be rapist or robber had to contend with the fact that his intended victim very likely has the ability to quickly put a bullet in his brain, well, that&#8217;s a massive crime deterrent<br
/> [7:36] Jana: True.<br
/> [7:36] Jana: But what about gangs?<br
/> [7:37] Mike: purty young thangs like you might choose to carry a pistol on each hip, and maybe a fully-automatic rifle just to be sure<br
/> [7:37] Jana: <img
src='http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> <br
/> [7:37] Mike: gangs are just groups of criminals &#8212; like states<br
/> [7:37] Mike: okay, but this is not a complete answer yet<br
/> [7:37] Jana: Yes, but a lil&#8217; ole me with one or two guns wouldn&#8217;t stop a gang from gangraping me.<br
/> [7:38] Mike: and it&#8217;s not a basis for a peaceful society, either &#8212; it&#8217;s not desirable that everyone should walk around armed, and it&#8217;s not desirable that many conflicts gets resolved through gunfire<br
/> [7:38] Mike: no, that&#8217;s true.<br
/> [7:38] Jana: So how do we get to have a peaceful society?<br
/> [7:39] Mike: what has been envisioned by those book-length writers can be described as Private Defense Associations or Dispute Resolution Organizations<br
/> [7:39] Mike: PDAs or DROs<br
/> [7:39] Mike: same thing, different wording<br
/> [7:39] Jana: How would they work?<br
/> [7:39] Mike: today if a crime is committed against you, you can only go to THE state for help<br
/> [7:40] Mike: and if you believe that the one-and-only state doesn&#8217;t do a good job with prevention, prosecution, or recompense, you have no alternative&#8230; you can&#8217;t cancel your subscription to the local police department<br
/> [7:40] Mike: it has been widely recognized in both economic and moral terms that monopoly providers of services are undesirable<br
/> [7:41] Mike: they&#8217;re inefficient, lack of competition makes them fat and lazy, and they&#8217;re unaccountable because customers have little voice<br
/> [7:41] Jana: True.<br
/> [7:41] Mike: what might be better is a world in which we have crime prevention, dispute resolution and justice-mediating organizations in free market competition with one another<br
/> [7:42] Mike: i&#8217;d like to know that i&#8217;m getting good value for my policing-and-investigating dollar<br
/> [7:42] Mike: and i&#8217;d like to be able to switch to a different provider of those services in the event that someone else can do it better, faster or cheaper<br
/> [7:43] Jana: Yeah, that&#8217;d be great.<br
/> [7:43] Mike: so, we go back to Messrs. Green and White<br
/> [7:43] Mike: White comes home one day from Ibiza to find his house has burned down<br
/> [7:43] Jana: :O<br
/> [7:43] Mike: he rings up his DRO, which is also an insurance company of sorts, and he has 2 questions:<br
/> [7:44] Mike: 1: Why didn&#8217;t you prevent this?<br
/> [7:44] Mike: 2: When do I get my money?<br
/> [7:44] Jana: What answers does he get?<br
/> [7:44] Mike: well let&#8217;s say White&#8217;s DRO does some investigation. They determine that arson was involved.<br
/> [7:45] Mike: White&#8217;s contract with his DRO covers this sort of thing, like a property insurance contract does today. White and the DRO both agree it was arson, the DRO immediately pays White enough to rebuild his house.<br
/> [7:46] Mike: if they don&#8217;t do this, then White and all of that DRO&#8217;s other clients would have switched to a service provider who will provide that level of service<br
/> [7:46] Mike: let&#8217;s imagine White&#8217;s DRO is called ABC Corp.<br
/> [7:46] Jana: ok<br
/> [7:46] Mike: ABC now has a problem<br
/> [7:47] Mike: they just had to buy White a new house, so they&#8217;re out the cost of the house<br
/> [7:47] Mike: they know a crime was committed, so they begin investigating<br
/> [7:47] Mike: after a time, they determine that Green was responsible for the arson.<br
/> [7:47] Mike: so they go to Green and ask him for the money<br
/> [7:47] Jana: Just like that?<br
/> [7:48] Mike: and a bit more, to compensate for their efforts and White&#8217;s inconvenience<br
/> [7:48] Mike: well, it&#8217;s more complicated than that, of course<br
/> [7:48] Mike: So, they come to Green&#8217;s house with all their evidence, and ask Green to pay up<br
/> [7:48] Mike: Green says &#8220;fuck you, I ain&#8217;t gonna pay&#8221;<br
/> [7:48] Mike: fine<br
/> [7:48] Mike: turns out that Green, too, was a subscriber to ABC Corp&#8217;s personal defense and dispute resolution services<br
/> [7:49] Mike: well, not anymore he ain&#8217;t!<br
/> [7:49] Mike: his policy is canceled<br
/> [7:49] Jana: Was there a clause about committing crimes?<br
/> [7:49] Mike: (assume there was &#8212; would YOU subscribe to a DRO that allowed its customers to commit crimes with impunity?) additionally, ABC sends a letter to all the other DROs in the area<br
/> [7:50] Mike: &#8220;Dear other DROs, Mr. Green did a bad thing, we canceled his policy and we&#8217;d advise you not to cover him either, until he pays compensation to Mr. White&#8221;<br
/> [7:50] Jana: Oh, okay, that would work.<br
/> [7:50] Mike: or, Green was a customer of XYZ instead of ABC<br
/> [7:51] Mike: ABC already beleives he did the crime<br
/> [7:51] Mike: Green says &#8220;call my DRO!&#8221; and slams the door on the ABC guys<br
/> [7:51] Mike: so ABC and XYZ get together and review the evidence.<br
/> [7:51] Mike: perhaps they both agree that Green did the crime<br
/> [7:51] Mike: in that case, XYZ cancels green&#8217;s policy and sends that letter to the other DROs<br
/> [7:51] Mike: or, they fail to agree<br
/> [7:52] Mike: the two DROs then have two choices: they can go to war over the matter, or they can find a peaceful way of resolving the dispute<br
/> [7:52] Mike: and so they take the case, perhaps, to the DRO re-insurance company they both subscribe to, or, perhaps, to an independent arbitration company, which has a great reputation for honesty, fairness and thoroughness<br
/> [7:53] Mike: like a court, except without the fancy imperial costumes and bowing before the judge<br
/> [7:53] Jana: <img
src='http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br
/> [7:53] Mike: ALL of those 3 parties (ABC, XYZ and the third-party arbitrator) are keenly interested in getting the facts right<br
/> [7:54] Mike: if the screw up the investigation and smear Mr. Green for a crime he didn&#8217;t commit, they lose reputation in the marketplace, leading to loss of customers and eventually loss of their business entirely<br
/> [7:54] Mike: if they decide they&#8217;re going to favor White at Green&#8217;s expense, same thing<br
/> [7:54] Mike: and so on<br
/> [7:55] Jana: Interesting.<br
/> [7:55] Mike: the market forces playing upon them compel them to be honest and to do the best job they can in determining the truth<br
/> [7:55] Mike: and keep in mind, White has ALREADY been paid for his burnt-down house, according to his contract<br
/> [7:56] Jana: Hm.<br
/> [7:56] Jana: Okay.<br
/> [7:56] Mike: so, we&#8217;re not *quite* finished here<br
/> [7:56] Mike: remember that ABC and XYZ both agreed that Green did the crime<br
/> [7:56] Mike: they both come to Green and demand payment<br
/> [7:56] Mike: maybe they arrive at an installment plan with interest, which Green can repay over time, who knows<br
/> [7:57] Mike: If Green actually pays, okay. Justice has been done in that Mr. White&#8217;s situation was restored to what it was before, plus a bit extra for his trouble, as you said<br
/> [7:57] Mike: What if Green refuses to pay now?<br
/> [7:57] Mike: Well, first of all, ABC and XYZ both inform all of their trading partners of what Green&#8217;s done, and say they&#8217;ve canceled their coverage of him.<br
/> [7:58] Mike: Green then tries to go on a holiday, to get away from all this shit he&#8217;s created.<br
/> [7:58] Mike: phones up the airline to book a flight to Cuba, or something<br
/> [7:58] Mike: the airline asks Green which DRO covers him<br
/> [7:58] Mike: Green says that he has no cover<br
/> [7:58] Jana: Uh-oh.<br
/> [7:59] Mike: the airline refuses to do business with Green &#8230; it&#8217;s too risky to carry an un-covered passenger on an intercontinental flight<br
/> [7:59] Mike: or, perhaps the airline has found it beneficial to its market position to refuse service to un-covered people, because that brings it more customers<br
/> [7:59] Mike: huh, so Green can&#8217;t go on holiday now, because he refuses to compensate<br
/> [8:00] Mike: Well, maybe he&#8217;ll rent a car and go someplace nearer, instead<br
/> [8:00] Mike: nope, no DRO cover, no car rental<br
/> [8:00] Mike: hmmm<br
/> [8:00] Jana: Wow!<br
/> [8:00] Mike: &#8220;public&#8221; transportation, of course, does not exist<br
/> [8:00] Jana: See where a little arson can get you?<br
/> [8:00] Mike: wanna get in my taxicab? show me your DRO card<br
/> [8:00] Mike: want to ride my bus, my train? whose gonna pay me if you destroy my property? No dro card, no service<br
/> [8:01] Mike: maybe it even becomes more severe than that<br
/> [8:01] Mike: there&#8217;s no &#8220;public&#8221; property in this world, either.<br
/> [8:01] Mike: there is private property, and property that is owned by nobody<br
/> [8:02] Jana: Oh yeah, property is something I wanna talk about, too. But in the next episode of this discussion. I kinda need to get ready to go out soon.<br
/> [8:02] Mike: ok<br
/> [8:02] Mike: anyway, what you get to here, is a comprehensive, networked, profit-driven form of ostracism<br
/> [8:03] Mike: in the ultimate extent, Green can&#8217;t even LEAVE his house<br
/> [8:03] Jana: Yeah, I like that.<br
/> [8:03] Mike: he doesn&#8217;t own the road in front of his house<br
/> [8:03] Jana: Really?<br
/> [8:03] Mike: the road operating company doesn&#8217;t permit people on the DRO blacklist to use the road<br
/> [8:03] Jana: Well, but he CAN walk on it, can&#8217;t he?<br
/> [8:03] Mike: remember: someone OWNS the road&#8230; maybe Mr. Black down the street built it, and he owns it<br
/> [8:04] Mike: if Black owns the road, he can refuse service and access to anyone, for any reason<br
/> [8:04] Jana: Man, poor Mr. Green &#8211; he probably just found some matches and wanted to play with them&#8230;<br
/> [8:04] Mike: but he&#8217;d be a fool to do that except in the most extreme of cases, where this is a risk to his property or business &#8212; which Mr. Green, being an arsonist who refuses to pay damages, clearly represents<br
/> [8:04] Mike: hehe<br
/> [8:05] Mike: So Green becomes a prisoner in his own house until he at least agrees to start working to pay off the debt to White&#8217;s DRO, and rejoins society that way.<br
/> [8:05] Mike: hell, maybe he can&#8217;t even get food delivered&#8230;<br
/> [8:05] Mike: maybe the three different companies that compete for the water-supply business in his area learn he&#8217;s on the &#8220;bad&#8221; list with the DROs and stop delivering water<br
/> [8:06] Jana: We don&#8217;t want him dead, though!<br
/> [8:06] Mike: no, we&#8217;d like him to pay<br
/> [8:06] Jana: Yeah!<br
/> [8:06] Jana: (flex)<br
/> [8:06] Mike: but we certainly have no DUTY to continue providing sustenance or service of any kind to such a criminal, do we?<br
/> [8:06] Mike: Green can live and grow vegetables in his garden and collect rainwater<br
/> [8:07] Mike: in a cave, effectively, apart from society<br
/> [8:07] Jana: You&#8217;re cruel! He can make his own mobile phone out of a chunk of wood, too, right? <img
src='http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> <br
/> [8:07] Mike: he can try, but who&#8217;s going to allow him to connect to their mobile phone network?<br
/> [8:07] Mike: who&#8217;d give him credit?<br
/> [8:08] Jana: Oooh, he&#8217;d have to start his own network, too!<br
/> [8:08] Mike: a network requires at least 2 nodes&#8230;<br
/> [8:08] Mike: anyway, that&#8217;s most of the outline<br
/> [8:08] Jana: Cool, thanks.<br
/> [8:08] Jana: That&#8217;s some food for thought.</p> <br
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/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/1665/dros-and-the-dangers-of-the-state-explaining-market-anarchism-to-a-friend/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>26</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>The State in the Mind</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/1540/the-state-in-the-mind/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/1540/the-state-in-the-mind/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:29:27 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[mind control]]></category> <category><![CDATA[philosophy]]></category> <category><![CDATA[agorism]]></category> <category><![CDATA[brainwashing]]></category> <category><![CDATA[christianity]]></category> <category><![CDATA[coercion]]></category> <category><![CDATA[counter-economics]]></category> <category><![CDATA[guns]]></category> <category><![CDATA[liberation]]></category> <category><![CDATA[market]]></category> <category><![CDATA[SEK3]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=1540</guid> <description><![CDATA[The State has guns and men to use them. [...][H]owever, it not only can fail to coerce a rebellious majority, it cannot even stop an enterprising minority of black marketeers and other Counter-Economists. The State must be defeated in each person&#8217;s mind. Once you personally reject its hold over you, you are as free as [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p
style="padding-left: 30px;">The State has guns and men to use them. [...][H]owever, it not only can fail to coerce a rebellious <em>majority</em>, it cannot even stop an enterprising <em>minority</em> of black marketeers and other Counter-Economists. The State must be defeated in each person&#8217;s <em>mind</em>. Once you personally reject its hold over you, you are as free as your intelligence, your will to take risks, and the aid of your allies can keep you. New converts to Christianity describe a similar process, which they call being &#8220;born again&#8221;.</p><p
style="padding-left: 60px;">&#8211; Samuel Edward Konkin III in <a
href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/097776494X/ref=nosim/nostatecom-20"><em>An Agorist Primer</em></a>, ch. 8, p. 101</p> <br
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=1073</guid> <description><![CDATA[A long-ago colleague writes that she (paraphrased): will be a) getting her pistol permit, b) stocking up on ammo, c) investing in a HAM radio all by January if the US election doesn&#8217;t go well. Naturally, I replied: If the situation is that dire, it might be time to forget asking permission. Anyone else over [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A long-ago colleague writes that she (paraphrased):</p><blockquote><p>will be a) getting her pistol permit, b) stocking up on ammo, c) investing in a HAM radio all by January if the US election doesn&#8217;t go well.</p></blockquote><p><a
href="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/obamache.jpg"><img
class="alignright size-full wp-image-1074" style="margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" title="Obama as Che Guevara" src="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/obamache.jpg" alt="Obama as Che Guevara" width="200" height="150" /></a>Naturally, I replied:</p><blockquote><p>If the situation is that dire, it might be time to forget asking permission.</p></blockquote><p>Anyone else over yonder in America have people around you talking about a need to arm themselves if things &#8220;don&#8217;t go well&#8221;?</p><p>Who would stand to gain and who would stand to lose from mass political violence on the streets of America?</p><p>If order does break down, what forces are going to come to the fore in leading the violence? We know the state&#8217;s own guns will be there in quantity, but what other groups will organize to fight the power? The militia movement? Veterans? Organized crime? Survivalists? Gangs? Graying NRA Life members? Disaffected youth? Skate punks and twitchy Counterstrike addicts?</p><p><a
href="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/palinstalin.jpg"><img
class="alignright size-full wp-image-1075" style="margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" title="Sarah Palin as Lenin" src="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/palinstalin.jpg" alt="Sarah Palin as Lenin" width="313" height="500" /></a>Is it possible that the active-duty Army mechanized infantry combat brigade just returned from Iraq and now stationed in Georgia will be called into service? Will the mass detention centers quietly staffed and under construction as reported in various places find use? And what of the hundreds of thousands of nesting-stackable plastic coffins found stockpiled at a government facility? Would the billions the Pentagon and others have invested into new types of less-than-lethal crowd control systems be deployed against the American people?</p><p>Where will the battles be fought? Where will the targets be? What tactics and strategies will be employed, both in combat and in the media sphere? What new allegiances will be forged, and what ancient alliances will be sundered?</p><p>Will I still get a pony that can fly for my birthday if I&#8217;m a good little boy?</p> <br
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/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/1073/guns-of-november/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>10</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Well, that&#8217;s America!</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/455/well-thats-america/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/455/well-thats-america/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:40:57 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[police]]></category> <category><![CDATA[constitutionalism]]></category> <category><![CDATA[guns]]></category> <category><![CDATA[police state]]></category> <category><![CDATA[taser]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=455</guid> <description><![CDATA[Second Amendment, RIP. From Seacoast Media, Portsmouth, NH, USA: Police use Taser on man reported carrying rifle on street 1 September 2008 SEABROOK — Police say they arrested an armed man at his house on Friday, Aug. 29, after receiving a report of a man walking around Pine Street carrying a rifle. According to police [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second Amendment, RIP.</p><p>From <a
href="http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080901/NEWS/80901023">Seacoast Media</a>, Portsmouth, NH, USA:</p><h3 style="padding-left: 30px;">Police use Taser on man reported carrying rifle on street</h3><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">1 September 2008</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">SEABROOK — Police say they arrested an armed man at his house on Friday, Aug. 29, after receiving a report of a man walking around Pine Street carrying a rifle.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">According to police who responded to the home at approximately 7:44 a.m. Friday, Dennis Merrill, 48, 60 Pine St., Seabrook, barricaded himself in his bedroom and, when he came out, resisted arrest.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;He resisted (arrest), he was Tased,&#8221; said Officer John Mounsey, who assisted at the scene.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Merrill was charged with resisting arrest and disorderly conduct.</p><p>Ratted out by a <span
style="text-decoration: line-through;">neighbor</span>member of the state&#8217;s spy network for exactly nothing.</p><p>I wonder who the people in Richland County, South Carolina ought to call when they see people with this sort of equipment tooling around the neighborhood:</p><div
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class="size-full wp-image-456" title="To Serve and Protect" src="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/serveandprotect.jpg" alt="To Serve and Protect... Whom?" width="431" height="269" /><p
class="wp-caption-text">To Serve and Protect... Whom?</p></div><p>Hat tip to <a
href="http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128482.html">Radley Balko</a>.</p> <br
/>Tags: <a
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/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/455/well-thats-america/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>1</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Horrors of the present</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/267/horrors-of-the-present/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/267/horrors-of-the-present/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:00:38 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[police]]></category> <category><![CDATA[China]]></category> <category><![CDATA[guns]]></category> <category><![CDATA[police state]]></category> <category><![CDATA[terrorism]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=267</guid> <description><![CDATA[The horrors of the future have NOTHING on the horrors of the present&#8230; Tags: China, guns, police state, terrorism]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The horrors of the future have NOTHING on the horrors of the present&#8230;</p><div
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class="wp-image-268" src="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/chinaparamilitarysegway.jpg" alt="Jinan, China, 2 July 2008" width="432" height="274" /><p
class="wp-caption-text">Jinan, China, 2 July 2008</p></div> <br
/>Tags: <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/china/" title="China" rel="tag">China</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/guns/" title="guns" rel="tag">guns</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/police-state/" title="police state" rel="tag">police state</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/terrorism/" title="terrorism" rel="tag">terrorism</a><br
/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/267/horrors-of-the-present/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>4</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>On power</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/140/on-power/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/140/on-power/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:00:18 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[philosophy]]></category> <category><![CDATA[guns]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Mao]]></category> <category><![CDATA[paranoia]]></category> <category><![CDATA[tax]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=140</guid> <description><![CDATA[&#8220;[A]ny person who actively seeks the power of life and death over just one other human being, let alone millions of people, is deeply, irrevocably damaged in psychological terms.&#8221; &#8211; Arthur Silber &#8220;Power is not a prize to be divvied up but a disease, a psychosis of paranoia and dehumanization adept at perpetuating itself.&#8221; &#8211; [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[A]ny person who actively seeks the power of life and death over just one other human being, let alone millions of people, is deeply, irrevocably damaged in psychological terms.&#8221;</p><p
style="padding-left: 90px;">&#8211; <a
href="http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2008/06/triumph-of-white-male-ruling-class-i.html">Arthur Silber</a></p><p>&#8220;Power is not a prize to be divvied up but a disease, a psychosis of paranoia and dehumanization adept at perpetuating itself.&#8221;</p><p
style="padding-left: 90px;">&#8211; <a
href="http://williamgillis.blogspot.com/2008/02/first-in-series-of-three-dear-leftist.html">William Gillis</a></p><p>“It is not in the nature of politics that the best men should be elected. The best men do not want to govern their fellowmen.”</p><p
style="padding-left: 90px;">&#8211; George E. MacDonald</p><p>&#8220;The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: ‘Your money, or your life.’ And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat. The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the roadside, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful. The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a ‘protector,’ and that he takes men’s money against their will, merely to enable him to ‘protect’ those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful ‘sovereign,’ on account of the ‘protection’ he affords you. He does not keep ‘protecting’ you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villanies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave.”</p><p
style="padding-left: 90px;">&#8211; Lysander Spooner</p><p>“Every good Communist should know that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. The Communist party must control the guns.”</p><p
style="padding-left: 90px;">&#8211; Mao Zedong</p> <br
/>Tags: <a
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/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/140/on-power/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>The penalty is always death</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/116/the-penalty-is-always-death/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/116/the-penalty-is-always-death/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:11:21 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[mind control]]></category> <category><![CDATA[police]]></category> <category><![CDATA[clown suit]]></category> <category><![CDATA[family]]></category> <category><![CDATA[guns]]></category> <category><![CDATA[libertarian]]></category> <category><![CDATA[liberty]]></category> <category><![CDATA[money]]></category> <category><![CDATA[murder]]></category> <category><![CDATA[prison]]></category> <category><![CDATA[rights]]></category> <category><![CDATA[self-defense]]></category> <category><![CDATA[tax]]></category> <category><![CDATA[uniform]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=116</guid> <description><![CDATA[One of the great triumphs of civilization touted by liberal-minded thinkers around the world these days is the abolition of the death penalty in most of the planet&#8217;s &#8220;more-civilized&#8221; countries, with some notable exceptions. Without question, it is an advancement that the State&#8217;s premeditated, long-calculated and coldly applied murder of helpless prisoners, separated mostly by [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the great triumphs of civilization touted by liberal-minded thinkers around the world these days is the abolition of the death penalty in most of the planet&#8217;s &#8220;more-civilized&#8221; countries, with some notable exceptions. Without question, it is an advancement that the State&#8217;s premeditated, long-calculated and coldly applied murder of helpless prisoners, separated mostly by gulfs of time, space and sometimes personal reform,  has come to be seen widely as an abomination which cannot be tolerated.</p><p>I would submit, though, that these thinkers celebrate too soon. The State&#8217;s ultimate penalty for real crime (initiations of force or fraud against people or their property) as well as all those non-crimes the State takes umbrage at is <em>always</em> death. This is the nature of the State; killing is the instrument by which it maintains itself.</p><p>To be sure, the State is mostly careful to not exercise the penalty too often. The system of compulsion and coercion, backed by the ultimate tool of death, is one which States have learned functions much better when the sword is cloaked in layers of misdirection and abstraction. The simple — and perhaps more honest — compulsion of the local tyrant demanding of his subjects, &#8220;Do it thus, or I shall kill you,&#8221; has been replaced with a long chain of escalation beginning with paper things like demands for compliance and citations, leading through more forceful papers such as summonses and warrants, but ultimately grounded upon the power of that barely-concealed blade.</p><p>If we accept the natural-rights view of self defense as given by libertarian theory, we can see that the penalty for <em>every </em>infraction is death.</p><p>Fail to pay your taxes? You will be killed.</p><p>Consume a proscribed substance? Death awaits you.</p><p>Neglect or ignore some trivial regulation? Murder is your fate.</p><p>&#8220;Oh come now,&#8221; they will cry, &#8220;the government doesn&#8217;t kill people for not paying their taxes!&#8221; In general this is true. In general people are compliant, whether out of worship or fear. But as situations escalate from non-compliance to the State&#8217;s demand for enforcement, be sure that the blade remains ready to plunge into the belly of the scofflaw.</p><p>I&#8217;m quite fond of hyperbolic examples. Let&#8217;s make one now.</p><p>Imagine that Bob is a fruit vendor. He sells apples, oranges and plums, and prices them by the piece. He advertises them at &#8220;12 for $3&#8243; or &#8220;20 for $5&#8243;, or at whatever price he determines he can sell them profitably.</p><p>One day a policeman comes around to Bob&#8217;s stand and tells him about a new law. The State has adopted a new numbering system, duodecimal, which uses base-12 instead of base-10 decimal notation. The State has passed a law saying that all transactions, offers, sales, etc., must be denoted in duodecimal.</p><p>The policeman informs Bob that his signage is out of order. &#8220;12 for $3&#8243; must be replaced by &#8220;10 for $3&#8243;, and &#8220;20 for $5&#8243; must be replaced by &#8220;18 for $5&#8243;. Because Bob is in violation of the law, the policeman issues Bob a citation ordering him to comply and imposing a fine for breaking the law.</p><p>Bob naturally looks at this as ridiculous. Everyone he sells fruit to understands decimal notation, and to change it would only create confusion. Further, Bob knows that he&#8217;s committed no crime, no offense against the person or property of another. Bob refuses the citation and tells the policeman to stick it where the sun doesn&#8217;t shine.</p><p>A few days later, Bob receives a letter saying that the fine has been imposed on him by a judge, that he has 30 days to pay it, and that he must comply with the new duodecimal law. As before, Bob ignores this letter and this judge, harming and having harmed no person or thing.</p><p>Thirty days pass, sixty days, ninety. Bob keeps on selling his decimal-denominated fruit during the day and going home to enjoy time with his family in the evening. One day another letter arrives stating that the judge has issued an order which says that if Bob does not comply with the first letter within 5 days, he will be in criminal contempt of court and subject to arrest and a term of imprisonment. Bob is disturbed, of course, by this threat against his person, but ignores it as he might ignore the taunts of a bully on the street.</p><p>A week later, a group of armed men wearing <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/37/the-clown-suit-defense-and-the-excuses-of-symbols/">clown suits</a> appear at Bob&#8217;s door and say they are there to arrest Bob and take him before the judge. Bob tells them he won&#8217;t go, as he&#8217;s done nothing wrong, but the uniformed thugs are insistent. He closes the door in their faces. They break down the door and enter Bob&#8217;s home, guns drawn against Bob and his family.</p><p>Bob then, in fear of his life and the life of his family, perhaps draws a pistol and tells the clowns to go away. Perhaps he attempts to flee. The clowns shoot him dead.</p><p>In the aftermath, the killing is sanctified among the State&#8217;s organized criminals as justifiable, since Bob failed to comply with lawful demands, threatened police officers and resisted arrest. The State&#8217;s worshipers and pawns fall all over themselves to praise the brave uniformed thugs and denounce Bob as having &#8220;had it coming.&#8221;</p><p>The penalty is <em>always</em> death.</p> <br
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