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> <channel><title>nostate.com&#187; torture</title> <atom:link href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/torture/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.nostate.com</link> <description>ACCESS ALL AREAS</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:00:01 +0000</lastBuildDate> <language>en</language> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>P.J. Crowley: A double cone of rightdoing, please, with exceptionalist sprinkles on top</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/4098/p-j-crowley-a-double-cone-of-rightdoing-please-with-exceptionalist-sprinkles-on-top/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/4098/p-j-crowley-a-double-cone-of-rightdoing-please-with-exceptionalist-sprinkles-on-top/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:02:09 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[mind control]]></category> <category><![CDATA[politics]]></category> <category><![CDATA[prison]]></category> <category><![CDATA[torture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Bradley Manning]]></category> <category><![CDATA[exceptionalism]]></category> <category><![CDATA[P.J. Crowley]]></category> <category><![CDATA[United States Empire]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=4098</guid> <description><![CDATA[If the American government intends to perpetuate the animating, exceptionalist mythos which supports its planet-dominating imperial aspirations, it must at least pretend in such a high-profile case that it cares about human rights, the rule of law, etc.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of my allies recently celebrated now-former US Department of State spokesdroid P.J. Crowley&#8217;s condemnation of the treatment of Bradley Manning in custody as &#8220;ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid&#8221;.</p><p>The words were valuable, sure, and within the ongoing saga of Bradley Manning served to call out Emperor Obama to (simperingly, predictably) defend his administration&#8217;s actions. But I didn&#8217;t celebrate the <em>man</em>. Crowley didn&#8217;t say that the way Manning was being treated was evil, barbaric, unjust, unfair, illegal, inhuman, inhumane, sick, perverted, sadistic, etc. All he said was &#8220;ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid&#8221;.</p><p>Some of my allies took his statement to mean that Crowley has a good bone somewhere in his loathsome body. I knew better, but didn&#8217;t have enough information on hand to really, strongly object, until this:</p><p><a
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/mar/29/bradley-manning-wikileaks">From <em>The Guardian</em></a>:</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Part of our strength comes from international recognition that the  United States practises what we preach. Most of the time, we do. This strategic narrative has made us, broadly speaking, the most admired country in the world.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">[...]</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">The release placed the lives of activists [<em>ed note.: read: spies, saboteurs, agents provocateur, thugs, liars, assassins, arms dealers, etc.</em>] around the world at risk.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Julian Assange and others have suggested that the release of the cables was to expose wrongdoing. Nonsense.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">While  everyone can point to an isolated cable, taken as a whole, the cables tell a compelling story of &#8220;rightdoing&#8221; – of US diplomats engaged in 189 countries around the world, working on behalf of the American people, and serving broader interests as well. As a nation, we are proud of the story the cables tell, even as we decry their release.</p><p>Much like the George W. Bush administration, Crowley has clearly divorced himself from the &#8220;reality-based community&#8221;. A little torture here, a few cruise missiles there, a wee bit of multi-billion-dollar bribery and smidge of rampant corporate imperialism over there, and we&#8217;ll just wrap that up in a delicious, low-carb, fat-free, totally non-threatening &#8220;strategic narrative&#8221; and sell it to the dumbass punters all over the world, with American Exceptionalist sprinkles on top.</p><p>P.J. Crowley spoke the truth. But he didn&#8217;t speak the truth some of my allies perceived. No, what Crowley said, very clearly, was this: &#8220;If the American government (and its fully-vested shareholders, who are not, incidentally, the electorate) intends to perpetuate the animating, exceptionalist mythos which supports its planet-dominating imperial aspirations, it <em>must</em> at least <em>pretend</em> in such a high-profile case that it cares about human rights, the rule of law, etc. For, if it does not, some people might, just for a second, truly perceive the maggot-ridden death&#8217;s head face behind the stars-stripes-uncle-sam-and-apple-pie mask, and <em>we can&#8217;t have that</em>.&#8221;</p><p>And from the Empire&#8217;s perspective, Crowley&#8217;s statement was not out of line. No, Crowley&#8217;s unforgivable sin lay not in his words, but that he let them be heard by the public.</p><p>I&#8217;m off to the ice cream shop. I hear they have a new flavor called &#8220;rightdoing&#8221;. I&#8217;ll bet it&#8217;s red, white and blue.</p> <br
/>Tags: <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/bradley-manning/" title="Bradley Manning" rel="tag">Bradley Manning</a>, <a
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/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/4098/p-j-crowley-a-double-cone-of-rightdoing-please-with-exceptionalist-sprinkles-on-top/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>2</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>London Cops Waterboard Pot Suspects</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/2546/london-cops-waterboard-pot-suspects/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/2546/london-cops-waterboard-pot-suspects/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:35:26 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[crime]]></category> <category><![CDATA[police]]></category> <category><![CDATA[torture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Free Agents Network]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Gangsters in Blue]]></category> <category><![CDATA[marijuana]]></category> <category><![CDATA[UK]]></category> <category><![CDATA[waterboarding]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=2546</guid> <description><![CDATA[With comments by Brad Taylor at the Free Agents Network: http://www.fr33agents.com/164/london-cops-waterboard-pot-suspects/ Tags: Free Agents Network, Gangsters in Blue, marijuana, torture, UK, waterboarding]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With comments by Brad Taylor at the Free Agents Network:</p><p><a
href="http://www.fr33agents.com/164/london-cops-waterboard-pot-suspects/">http://www.fr33agents.com/164/london-cops-waterboard-pot-suspects/</a></p> <br
/>Tags: <a
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href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/gangsters-in-blue/" title="Gangsters in Blue" rel="tag">Gangsters in Blue</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/marijuana/" title="marijuana" rel="tag">marijuana</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/torture/" title="torture" rel="tag">torture</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/uk/" title="UK" rel="tag">UK</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/waterboarding/" title="waterboarding" rel="tag">waterboarding</a><br
/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/2546/london-cops-waterboard-pot-suspects/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>1</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>What do you call a young man with no arms?</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/2281/what-do-you-call-a-young-man-with-no-arms/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/2281/what-do-you-call-a-young-man-with-no-arms/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:23:48 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[crime]]></category> <category><![CDATA[war]]></category> <category><![CDATA[amputation]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Antigua]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Guatemala]]></category> <category><![CDATA[guerrilla]]></category> <category><![CDATA[murder]]></category> <category><![CDATA[mutilation]]></category> <category><![CDATA[rape]]></category> <category><![CDATA[repression]]></category> <category><![CDATA[ruling class]]></category> <category><![CDATA[torture]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=2281</guid> <description><![CDATA[Right up until the end of the bloody 46-year Guatemalan civil war in 1996, state-sponsored gangs roamed the countryside, striking targets of opportunity and instilling fear into the populace, in hopes of crushing support for the guerrilla resistance.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One fine evening in the summer of 2004, I sat with my girlfriend at our favorite restaurant in Antigua, Guatemala, as we picked at our appetizers, sipped our wine and chatted.</p><p>We had been there a couple of times already during our two weeks or so in the city. Antigua itself is beautiful, up in the high country, filled with classic colonial-period architecture, lots of neat little shops, and plenty for the tourist. Just to the south, Volcán de Agua towers some 12,000 feet above everything. As Guatemala goes, you couldn&#8217;t ask for a more serene, lovely place.</p><div
id="attachment_2284" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 235px"><a
href="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/volcan-de-agua-antigua-guatemala.jpg"><img
class="size-medium wp-image-2284" title="volcan-de-agua-antigua-guatemala" src="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/volcan-de-agua-antigua-guatemala-225x300.jpg" alt="Volcán de Agua, Antigua, Guatemala" width="225" height="300" /></a><p
class="wp-caption-text">Volcán de Agua, Antigua, Guatemala</p></div><p>And the restaurant was lovely too, with an indoor courtyard with tropical trees, a lively bar in the back and a menu worth sampling again and again. Though at the top end of the scale for Guatemala, the prices were quite comfortable for bearers of United States dollars looking for great food in a nice setting. The clientele were generally foreign tourists, with the occasional group of darker-skinned, upper-class <em>guatemaltecos</em> appearing as well.</p><p>A couple of people walk in and start making for the back of the restaurant, where there might be some tables available. They approach us, as we&#8217;re sitting at a table against a wall along the route to the back. A young man, perhaps 19 years of age, followed by a middle aged man, presumably his father. Both <em>guatemaltecos</em>.</p><p>My eye is caught for some reason. Something isn&#8217;t right about the youth&#8217;s gait. In an instant, I see why: his arm ends in a short stump just below his shoulder. And then I notice his father behind him, with a prosthetic arm slung over his shoulder.</p><p>Tragic. What horrible accident must have led to this. I can&#8217;t even imagine what life would be like, less than physically complete, not to mention the sensations, the horror, the feelings that must come of losing a limb. The folks who live in the countryside and till the land in Guatemala have hard lives, and accidents must be common.</p><p>I turn my attention back to my shrimp cocktail, quickly, as they approach our table.</p><p>But something is still not right with the young man&#8217;s gait, and I turn as they pass, perhaps impolitely, and look again.</p><p>And it is then that I see that the father carries not one, but <em>two</em> prosthetic arms slung over his shoulders. And that his son&#8217;s <em>other</em> arm is also mostly missing, ending in a slightly longer stump than the other.</p><p>What do you call a young man with no arms?</p><p><em>Victim</em>.</p><p>Perhaps I drop my fork as the realization hits me: this young man walking past me, just entering adulthood, was not the victim of an <em>accident</em>.</p><div
id="attachment_2288" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 146px"><a
href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0822333686/ref=nosim/nostatecom-20"><img
class="size-full wp-image-2288" title="silence-on-the-mountain" src="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/silence-on-the-mountain.jpg" alt="Silence on the Mountain" width="136" height="204" /></a><p
class="wp-caption-text">Silence on the Mountain</p></div><p>Right up until the end of the bloody 46-year Guatemalan &#8220;civil&#8221; war in 1996, state-sponsored gangs roamed the countryside, striking targets of opportunity and instilling fear into the populace, in hopes of crushing support for the guerrilla resistance groups. A favorite tactic, described in <a
rel="nofollow" href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067401930X/ref=nosim/nostatecom-20"><em>Bitter Fruit: The Story of the American Coup in Guatemala</em></a>; <a
rel="nofollow" href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0822333686/ref=nosim/nostatecom-20"><em>Silence on the Mountain: Stories of Terror, Betrayal, and Forgetting in Guatemala</em></a> and elsewhere, was for the terror squads to attack small, rural villages suspected of sheltering or supporting the guerrillas. Everyone in the village was forced out of their homes at gunpoint, assembled, and segregated: men over here, women over there, children here. The villagers watched as soldiers and police raped their mothers, sisters and daughters. Those who resisted were simply shot. Those surviving now watched as some of the children, boys especially, had one or both of their arms or hands hacked off with machetes. And then most of the men were executed. Still more were led away from the villages, bound and at gunpoint, enslaved or slaughtered and never to be seen again: <em>los desaparecidos</em>, the disappeared.</p><p>The armless young man who just walked past me, without doubt, was one of those children in the villages in the early- to mid-1990s &#8212; mutilated, crippled by the criminal violence of state agents in the service of an inhuman ruling class, and left to live as a reminder to those who would challenge their privilege.</p><p>I tried several times, in conversations with <em>guatemaltecos</em>, to ask about the war, and how it had touched their lives. None would speak of it to me &#8212; perhaps because I am a white man, but without question because they want to forget.</p><p><br
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/>Tags: <a
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href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/antigua/" title="Antigua" rel="tag">Antigua</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/guatemala/" title="Guatemala" rel="tag">Guatemala</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/guerrilla/" title="guerrilla" rel="tag">guerrilla</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/murder/" title="murder" rel="tag">murder</a>, <a
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href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/rape/" title="rape" rel="tag">rape</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/repression/" title="repression" rel="tag">repression</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/ruling-class/" title="ruling class" rel="tag">ruling class</a>, <a
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/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/2281/what-do-you-call-a-young-man-with-no-arms/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>3</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Remembrance of things past</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/2061/remembrance-of-things-past/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/2061/remembrance-of-things-past/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 14:00:44 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[war]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Afghanistan]]></category> <category><![CDATA[children]]></category> <category><![CDATA[habeas corpus]]></category> <category><![CDATA[military]]></category> <category><![CDATA[murder]]></category> <category><![CDATA[police state]]></category> <category><![CDATA[torture]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=2061</guid> <description><![CDATA[So it&#8217;s the American Memorial Day again, a time when many Americans get a bit teary-eyed over what &#8220;our heroic/brave/noble troops&#8221; have done &#8220;for our freedom&#8221; &#8212; a conflated nexus of genuine mourning and pathological patriotism. I have a bit of a different outlook on those troops, as many of you know. I set out [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it&#8217;s the American Memorial Day again, a time when many Americans get a bit teary-eyed over what &#8220;our heroic/brave/noble troops&#8221; have done &#8220;for our freedom&#8221; &#8212; a conflated nexus of genuine mourning and pathological patriotism.</p><p>I have a bit of a different outlook on those troops, as many of you know.</p><div
id="attachment_2062" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 250px"><a
href="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/bala_baluk_wounded7.jpg"><img
class="size-medium wp-image-2062" title="bala_baluk_wounded7" src="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/bala_baluk_wounded7-300x219.jpg" alt="A child's life CHANGED forever, thanks to America's brave soldiers. Bala Baluk district, Farah province, Afghanistan, 5 May 2009. Photo via the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan, www.rawa.org" width="240" height="175" /></a><p
class="wp-caption-text">A child&#39;s life CHANGED forever, thanks to America&#39;s brave soldiers. Bala Baluk district, Farah province, Afghanistan, 5 May 2009. Photo via the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan, www.rawa.org</p></div><p>I set out today to put forward a Memorial Day post to remember, a real shocker, if you will.</p><p>But I found myself surveying endless sets of photos of the horrors of war. Children missing limbs. Hideously mutated stillborn babies, courtesy of &#8220;depleted&#8221; uranium munitions. Battlefield trauma surgery. Burn victims. Executions. Murder, mutilation, death.</p><p>And my will faltered. I find I don&#8217;t have much to say. Or, perhaps I do, but digging deeply enough to put the words together is <em>hurting me</em>, and so I must back away.</p><p>So, instead, I leave you with the photo at right, and with simple linkage to my two pieces from around this time last year: <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/77/fuck-the-troops/">Fuck the troops!</a> and <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/91/a-memorial-day-tribute-to-police-state-supporters/">A Memorial Day tribute to police state supporters</a>. And also with a few words from fellow anarcho-blogger Cork, in &#8220;<a
href="http://corktageous.blogspot.com/2009/05/memorial-day-we-can-all-get-behind.html">A memorial day we can all get behind</a>&#8220;:</p><blockquote><p>Some anarchists will tell you that the troops died for nothing.  But that&#8217;s not exactly true.</p><p>They died to butcher women and children. They died to make life miserable and unbearable for people all across the globe. They died to strengthen the police state. They died to take away our liberties. They died to enrich the military industrial complex. They died to make the world safe for US-style corporatist capitalism. They died to strengthen dictators and tyrants. They died to ensure US hegemony over the entire world, and to enslave the innocent. They died to destroy and steal from foreign countries. They died to worsen the economy and harm the poor. They died to end habeas corpus and protect torture.</p><p>In a nutshell: they died to make the world a far worse, far more despicable, and far more dangerous place. And they did so knowing exactly what they were doing.</p></blockquote> <br
/>Tags: <a
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/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/2061/remembrance-of-things-past/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>4</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Seth speaks: On military and other statist lies</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/1706/seth-speaks-on-military-and-other-statist-lies/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/1706/seth-speaks-on-military-and-other-statist-lies/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:36:38 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[war]]></category> <category><![CDATA[abu ghraib]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Iraq]]></category> <category><![CDATA[military]]></category> <category><![CDATA[money]]></category> <category><![CDATA[murder]]></category> <category><![CDATA[rape]]></category> <category><![CDATA[tax]]></category> <category><![CDATA[theft]]></category> <category><![CDATA[torture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[violence]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=1706</guid> <description><![CDATA[One of my frequent commenters, Seth, left a comment in reply to another one on my ever-popular &#8220;Fuck the troops!&#8221; posting. I thought it was important enough to repost here (with minor edits), for those who aren&#8217;t diligently following the nostate.com comment feed. [W]ith a kill ratio of something upwards of 75:1, members of the [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my frequent commenters, Seth, left a comment in reply to another one on my ever-popular &#8220;<a
href="http://www.nostate.com/77/fuck-the-troops/">Fuck the troops!</a>&#8221; posting.</p><p>I thought it was important enough to repost here (with minor edits), for those who aren&#8217;t diligently following the <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/comments/feed/">nostate.com comment feed</a>.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">[W]ith a kill ratio of something upwards of 75:1, members of the U.S. [military] are doing the lion&#8217;s share of the killing [in Iraq]. It would not surprise if these criminals are also engaging in their share of rape, kidnapping and theft.  And torture  (Abu Ghraib?)</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Many members of the military &#8220;are simply doing it to make money&#8221; (or college money) as they are too weak-willed and/or stupid to make an honest buck.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Instead they choose to get paid to serve an organization whose primary purpose is to threaten and, &#8220;if necessary&#8221;, carry out acts of aggressive violence against mostly hapless people caught in the crossfire between the US government and the &#8220;enemy&#8221; du jour.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Governments are always trying to redefine their crimes out of existence by taking a common criminal act and attaching a new label to it. Thus, armed robbery becomes &#8220;taxation&#8221; and kidnapping becomes &#8220;arrest&#8221;, etc.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Thinking people see through these lies. If there are people in the military that are responsible for 4 or more deaths is a single event, those people are in fact mass murderers.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Whether or not their crimes are sanctioned by the same government they are killing for is wholly immaterial. Governments themselves are the largest criminal organizations, so to expect any type of moral behavior out of these organizations is foolish at best.</p> <br
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href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/violence/" title="violence" rel="tag">violence</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/war/" title="war" rel="tag">war</a><br
/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/1706/seth-speaks-on-military-and-other-statist-lies/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>5</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Full of stupid, honey</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/1680/full-of-stupid-honey/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/1680/full-of-stupid-honey/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:54:32 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[crime]]></category> <category><![CDATA[mind control]]></category> <category><![CDATA[bailout]]></category> <category><![CDATA[debt]]></category> <category><![CDATA[elite]]></category> <category><![CDATA[execution]]></category> <category><![CDATA[faith]]></category> <category><![CDATA[inflation]]></category> <category><![CDATA[investment]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Iran]]></category> <category><![CDATA[money]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Obama]]></category> <category><![CDATA[proletariat]]></category> <category><![CDATA[reaction]]></category> <category><![CDATA[ruling class]]></category> <category><![CDATA[tax]]></category> <category><![CDATA[torture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[war]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=1680</guid> <description><![CDATA[The world is full of stupid. That doesn&#8217;t mean that &#8220;most people are stupid,&#8221; a proposition to which 95% of citizens surveyed will agree. But when I see dozens commentators on talk shows discussing bailouts, tax increases (and, properly, taxes at all), inflation, the hot/cold/muddled trade wars between east and west, war, torture and any [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world is full of stupid.</p><p>That doesn&#8217;t mean that &#8220;most people are stupid,&#8221; a proposition to which 95% of citizens surveyed will agree.</p><p>But when I see dozens commentators on talk shows discussing bailouts, tax increases (and, properly, taxes at all), inflation, the hot/cold/muddled trade wars between east and west, war, torture and any number of other subjects, well, gosh&#8230; there&#8217;s a whole lot of stupid out there.</p><div
id="attachment_1681" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 159px"><img
class="size-full wp-image-1681" title="hunny" src="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/hunny.jpg" alt="Add Guy Fawkes mask for more powerful effect" width="149" height="174" /><p
class="wp-caption-text">Add Guy Fawkes mask for more powerful effect</p></div><p>When there is talk of, oh, another trillion dollars being shoveled out to first-to-the-trough interests owned and controlled by the global elite, well, the talk isn&#8217;t about where the money comes from. The talk isn&#8217;t about how inflation of that sort is exactly equivalent to grand larceny. The discussion doesn&#8217;t center around any sort of moral consideration, or recognize the fact that lending out a trillion of these &#8220;dollars&#8221; into existence has the net effect of devaluing the holdings of all dollar holders, or that these compelling accounting fictions created by the elder warlocks of Wall Street and Washington will be as yokes upon the necks of generations. The questions come to revolve instead around such subsidiary matters as whether or not enough tribute is being extracted from the proletariat via inflation to benefit the <em>komitet</em>, or whether or not the right factions of the ruling class will receive the newly-stolen booty first &#8212; certainly not around such other (equally subsidiary) matters as whether or not the robbers should be executed by firing squad or by being bound to a tree naked in the jungle, smeared with honey, and left for the ants.</p><p>This in and of itself isn&#8217;t stupid. The people here are focusing attention in directions which benefit <em>them</em>. They flirt with the jungle, honey and ants every day by speaking their &#8220;minds&#8221; to the masses. They get paid very well for doing it. The stupid, here, is that people watch and listen to and read this drivel, they absorb it, they internalize it, they believe it, and they will <em>cast out as devils</em> those who would challenge the dominant tribal paradigm.</p><p>One day, the masses are going to wake up, <em>en masse</em>, as it were. Paradigms will shift, as it were. The future will, perhaps, shock again.</p><p>Meanwhile, the stupid is man-in-the-street reactions filmed on the east coast of the US by Iran&#8217;s PressTV along the lines of &#8220;Gee, I don&#8217;t know much of anything about anything, but I got faith in Obama,&#8221; or &#8220;Change gonna win, baby!&#8221; or &#8220;Well, I guess if that&#8217;s what they figured out is necessary&#8230;&#8221;</p><p>Me? I&#8217;m investing in honey.</p> <br
/>Tags: <a
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/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/1680/full-of-stupid-honey/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Dear tool</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/1332/dear-tool/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/1332/dear-tool/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:56:40 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[people]]></category> <category><![CDATA[bank]]></category> <category><![CDATA[border]]></category> <category><![CDATA[contract]]></category> <category><![CDATA[corruption]]></category> <category><![CDATA[embassy]]></category> <category><![CDATA[flag]]></category> <category><![CDATA[inflation]]></category> <category><![CDATA[military]]></category> <category><![CDATA[murder]]></category> <category><![CDATA[prison]]></category> <category><![CDATA[propaganda]]></category> <category><![CDATA[protest]]></category> <category><![CDATA[rape]]></category> <category><![CDATA[religion]]></category> <category><![CDATA[security]]></category> <category><![CDATA[spy]]></category> <category><![CDATA[surveillance]]></category> <category><![CDATA[tax]]></category> <category><![CDATA[torture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[war]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=1332</guid> <description><![CDATA[You are the technician tightening bolts on the Enola Gay. You are the clerk with the bad attitude behind the desk at the motor vehicles office. You are the janitor cleaning up the blood after the firing squad is finished. You are the programmer coding for the tax authority. You are the accountant for the [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are the technician tightening bolts on the <em>Enola Gay</em>. You are the clerk with the bad attitude behind the desk at the motor vehicles office. You are the janitor cleaning up the blood after the firing squad is finished. You are the programmer coding for the tax authority. You are the accountant for the land mine manufacturer. You are the policeman shooting the dog. You are the economist justifying inflation. You are the drill sergeant training men to kill. You are the legislator scheming for graft. You are the hangman tying the noose. You are the tech support person fixing the general&#8217;s email. You are the judge who beats his wife. You are the translator for the military ammunition tender. You are the inquisitor strapping the heathen to the rack. You are the logistics officer making sure the missiles get to the front line. You are the professor applying for the government grant. You are the plumber for the prison. You are the editor squelching the controversial view. You are the mathematician for the spy agency. You are the priest serving the pharaoh. You are the project manager bidding on the army contract. You are the installer putting up the surveillance camera. You are the bank officer filing the suspicious transaction report.  You are the customs inspector. You are the teacher exhorting the students to pledge to the flag. You are the craftsman repairing the guillotine. You are the engineer designing the bomb.  You are the businessman without conscience. You are the school principal paddling the student. You are the receptionist at the embassy. You are the security guard at the munitions dump. You are the agent infiltrating the activist group. You are the carpenter assembling the cross for the crucifixion. You are the chauffeur for the politician. You are the cop gassing the protester. You are the news commentator apologizing for war. You are the doctor preparing the lethal injection. You are the lawyer justifying torture. You are the research assistant at the bio-weapons lab. You are the informant ratting out the neighbor. You are the construction worker building the border fence. You are the graphic designer for the propaganda campaign. You are the soldier bayoneting the child.</p><p>How can you sleep at night?</p><p>Merry Christmas, you fucking tool.</p> <br
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href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/rape/" title="rape" rel="tag">rape</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/religion/" title="religion" rel="tag">religion</a>, <a
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href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/war/" title="war" rel="tag">war</a><br
/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/1332/dear-tool/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>17</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Terry Gilliam: ex-American</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/515/terry-gilliam-ex-american/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/515/terry-gilliam-ex-american/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:30:19 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[people]]></category> <category><![CDATA[cult]]></category> <category><![CDATA[homeland security]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Minnesota]]></category> <category><![CDATA[New York]]></category> <category><![CDATA[renunciation of citizenship]]></category> <category><![CDATA[tax]]></category> <category><![CDATA[terrorism]]></category> <category><![CDATA[torture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[UK]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=515</guid> <description><![CDATA[Hey lookie there! Other people do renounce their US citizenship! From CBS News, 6 October 2006: Terry Gilliam Sounds Off Director Of &#8216;Brazil&#8217; Says Current Events Parallel His Cult Movie Visionary director Terry Gilliam, whose 1985 film &#8220;Brazil&#8221; was a classic tale of terrorized citizens crushed by an authoritarian government, is miffed. &#8220;I&#8217;m thinking of [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey lookie there! Other people do renounce their US citizenship!</p><p>From <a
href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/06/entertainment/main2071659.shtml">CBS News, 6 October 2006</a>:</p><h3 style="padding-left: 30px;">Terry Gilliam Sounds Off</h3><h4 style="padding-left: 30px;">Director Of &#8216;Brazil&#8217; Says Current Events Parallel His Cult Movie</h4><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Visionary director Terry Gilliam, whose 1985 film &#8220;Brazil&#8221; was a classic tale of terrorized citizens crushed by an authoritarian government, is miffed.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;I&#8217;m thinking of suing George Bush and Dick Cheney for making the remake of &#8216;Brazil&#8217; without my approval,&#8221; he told a New York screening audience this week. &#8220;Their version isn’t as funny, though.&#8221;</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">The 65-year-old native of Minnesota who emigrated to England in the 1960s and helped form the legendary comedy group Monty Python, held dual citizenship for three decades. (He married a British citizen and has three children.) <strong>This past year, though, he renounced his U.S. citizenship. He sees the current political scene in America – and its extension into the world – to be scarily similar to the Orwellian nightmare of his cult film.</strong></p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">In the film, government agents arrest suspects in hordes, going so far as to charge them for their interrogation, including the electricity applied to their bodies. Detainees who couldn’t afford the costs of their torture could apply for loans (at favorable interest rates). The machinery of government-sanctioned torture and data collection became a self-sustaining apparatus.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;It is absolutely frightening,&#8221; he said of the current political scene. &#8220;Homeland Security is just like [the film's] Ministry of Information, because if your job is counter-terrorism, what do you need to keep in business? You need terrorists, and even if they aren’t there, we may have to create new ones. It works very well.&#8221;</p><p>From The Onion&#8217;s AV Club, 11 October 2006:</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">AVC: Why did you renounce your American citizenship earlier this year?</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">TG: I thought I&#8217;d just simplify my life. I&#8217;m getting old. I&#8217;m gonna die. I&#8217;m not at all happy with what America has been in the last 10 years. [Laughs.] The reality is, when I kick the bucket, American tax authorities assess everything I own in the world—everything I own is outside of America—and then tax me on it, and that would mean my wife would probably have to sell our house to pay the taxes. I didn&#8217;t think that was fair on my wife and children.</p> <br
/>Tags: <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/cult/" title="cult" rel="tag">cult</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/homeland-security/" title="homeland security" rel="tag">homeland security</a>, <a
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href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/new-york/" title="New York" rel="tag">New York</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/renunciation-of-citizenship/" title="renunciation of citizenship" rel="tag">renunciation of citizenship</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/tax/" title="tax" rel="tag">tax</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/terrorism/" title="terrorism" rel="tag">terrorism</a>, <a
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href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/uk/" title="UK" rel="tag">UK</a><br
/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/515/terry-gilliam-ex-american/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>12</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Guantánamo: Beyond the law</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/160/guantanamo-beyond-the-law/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/160/guantanamo-beyond-the-law/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:18:46 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[prison]]></category> <category><![CDATA[torture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[war]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Afghanistan]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Cuba]]></category> <category><![CDATA[freedom]]></category> <category><![CDATA[graffiti]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Guantánamo]]></category> <category><![CDATA[jihad]]></category> <category><![CDATA[military]]></category> <category><![CDATA[rights]]></category> <category><![CDATA[terrorism]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=160</guid> <description><![CDATA[A little something for the &#8220;they hate us for our freedom&#8221; file. But never you mind, these are just &#8220;a few bad apples&#8221; and &#8220;isolated incidents&#8221;. There&#8217;s no pattern here whatsoever. And no, of course these &#8220;enhanced interrogation techniques&#8221; will never be applied within the US itself. Of course not. Go on back to sleep [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little something for the &#8220;they hate us for our freedom&#8221; file. But never you mind, these are just &#8220;a few bad apples&#8221; and &#8220;isolated incidents&#8221;. There&#8217;s no pattern here whatsoever. And no, of course these &#8220;enhanced interrogation techniques&#8221; will never be applied within the US itself. Of course not. Go on back to sleep now.</p><p>McClatchy yesterday kicked off a <a
href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/detainees">series of reports</a> on the people held at the US Guantánamo Bay military prison and elsewhere, saying:</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">An eight-month McClatchy investigation of the detention system created after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks has found that the U.S. imprisoned innocent men, subjected them to abuse, stripped them of their legal rights and allowed Islamic militants to turn the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba into a school for jihad.</p><div
id="attachment_161" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 223px"><a
href="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/guantanamo-graffiti-by-burge5000-at-flickrcom.jpg"><img
class="size-medium wp-image-161" title="&quot;Guantamo Graffiti&quot; by burge5000 @ flickr.com" src="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/guantanamo-graffiti-by-burge5000-at-flickrcom-213x300.jpg" alt="&quot;Guantamo Graffiti&quot; by burge5000 @ flickr.com" width="213" height="300" /></a><p
class="wp-caption-text">&quot;Guantamo Graffiti&quot; by burge5000 @ flickr.com</p></div><p>From Sunday&#8217;s article, <a
href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/detainees/story/38773.html">We got the wrong guys: America&#8217;s prison for terrorists often held the wrong men</a>,</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Akhtiar was no terrorist. American troops had dragged him out of his Afghanistan home in 2003 and held him in Guantanamo for three years in the belief that he was an insurgent involved in rocket attacks on U.S. forces. The Islamic radicals in Guantanamo&#8217;s Camp Four who hissed &#8220;infidel&#8221; and spat at Akhtiar, however, knew something his captors didn&#8217;t: The U.S. government had the wrong guy.</p><p>And from today&#8217;s, <a
href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/detainees/story/38775.html">&#8216;I guess you can call it torture&#8217;: U.S. abuse of detainees was routine at Afghanistan bases</a>:</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">American soldiers herded the detainees into holding pens of razor-sharp concertina wire, the kind that&#8217;s used to corral livestock.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">The guards kicked, kneed and punched many of the men until they collapsed in pain. U.S. troops shackled and dragged other detainees to small isolation rooms, then hung them by their wrists from chains dangling from the wire mesh ceiling.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">[...]</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">The brutality at Bagram peaked in December 2002, when U.S. soldiers beat two Afghan detainees, Habibullah and Dilawar, to death as they hung by their wrists.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Dilawar died on Dec. 10, seven days after Habibullah died. He&#8217;d been hit in his leg so many times that the tissue was &#8220;falling apart&#8221; and had &#8220;basically been pulpified,&#8221; said then-Lt. Col. Elizabeth Rouse, the Air Force medical examiner who performed the autopsy on him.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Had Dilawar lived, Rouse said in sworn testimony, &#8220;I believe the injury to the legs are so extensive that it would have required amputation.&#8221;</p> <br
/>Tags: <a
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href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/graffiti/" title="graffiti" rel="tag">graffiti</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/guantanamo/" title="Guantánamo" rel="tag">Guantánamo</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/jihad/" title="jihad" rel="tag">jihad</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/military/" title="military" rel="tag">military</a>, <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/prison/" title="prison" rel="tag">prison</a>, <a
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href="http://www.nostate.com/tag/torture/" title="torture" rel="tag">torture</a><br
/> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.nostate.com/160/guantanamo-beyond-the-law/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>2</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Texas: Court-mandated assault for skipping school</title><link>http://www.nostate.com/133/texas-court-mandated-assault-for-skipping-school/</link> <comments>http://www.nostate.com/133/texas-court-mandated-assault-for-skipping-school/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:21:50 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[torture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[indoctrination]]></category> <category><![CDATA[justice]]></category> <category><![CDATA[lawsuit]]></category> <category><![CDATA[punishment]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Texas]]></category> <category><![CDATA[truancy]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nostate.com/?p=133</guid> <description><![CDATA[More torture for children&#8217;s victimless crimes, courtesy of the State. Repeat after me: Public school is about learning, not indoctrination or obedience training Children are property Initiating violence against someone is OK when the law says so Children are slaves Offending the State is a true crime Torture is OK The theory that people beaten [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More torture for children&#8217;s victimless crimes, courtesy of the State.</p><p>Repeat after me:</p><ul><li>Public school is about learning, not indoctrination or obedience training</li><li>Children are property</li><li>Initiating violence against someone is OK when the law says so</li><li>Children are slaves</li><li>Offending the State is a true crime</li><li>Torture is OK</li><li>The theory that people beaten as children go on to beat children and <a
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/nyregion/06rape.html?ex=1370491200&amp;en=bc60cf51266f5a15&amp;ei=5124&amp;partner=permalink&amp;exprod=permalink">commit grander crimes</a> is ridiculous</li></ul><p>From <a
href="http://www.team4news.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=143157">KGBT-TV, Texas</a>:</p><h3 style="padding-left: 30px;">Lawsuit: Los Fresnos JP ordered spankings</h3><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">5 June 2008</p><div
id="attachment_134" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 214px"><img
class="size-medium wp-image-134" src="http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/prisoners_whipped-204x300.jpg" alt="" width="204" height="300" /><p
class="wp-caption-text">Texas: It&#39;s like a whole &#39;nother country</p></div><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS (AP) &#8212; A Los Fresnos family is going to court to prevent a Cameron County justice of the peace from ordering spankings in his courtroom.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">A lawsuit filed today alleges <strong>Justice of the Peace Gustavo &#8220;Gus&#8221; Garza told a 14-year-old girl&#8217;s stepfather to strike her repeatedly on the buttocks in open court.</strong></p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">If he didn&#8217;t, the judge said the girl would be found guilty and fined $500 for truancy.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">The lawsuit by Mary Vasquez and her husband, Daniel Zurita, described <strong>the paddle provided by Garza as large and heavy and fashioned from a thick piece of lumber</strong>.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">In a story for The Brownsville Herald, Garza declined to comment on whether he has people spanked in his courtroom. He also said he had not seen the lawsuit.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Zurita says he didn&#8217;t feel as if he had a choice but to follow the order.</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">In an affidavit, Zurita says that <strong>when he was through, the judge told him he had not struck the girl hard enough.</strong></p><p>Selected, choice comments to the article:</p><p
style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>A student who is truant is violating the law and causing the school to lose funding.</strong> The kid&#8217;s step father couldn&#8217;t control the kid (Is he a wimp?). Far too many judges refuse to enforce the law. Judge garza should be recognized for enforcing the law. The parent had three choices: Make thge kid go to school, pay a fine, or paddle the kid&#8211;and he is now crying about his choice. Again, I ask if he is a wimp?</p><p
style="text-align: right; width: 75%; padding-left: 30px;">— Terry Oberg, Mcallen</p><h3 style="padding-left: 30px;">Spank Her Good</h3><p
style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>The judge should have had a police officer spank that brat. Getting a strong, muscle-head cop to do the spanking would have been ideal. Then I would have paddled the hell out of the parents too.</strong> They know when their child is not attending school. I bet you she will be pregnant and on public assistance before she is 18 years old. Thats all we need another dumb teenaged parent with an attitude. Sorry if it seems harsh but thats what it is. Just a thought!</p><p
style="text-align: right; width: 75%; padding-left: 30px;">— l deleon, harlingen</p><h3 style="padding-left: 30px;">Ordered Spankings</h3><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Go Judge Garza! It&#8217;s about time someone taught kids now a days about discipline. This lawsuit is a joke. If we as parents don&#8217;t want to be at this point where we are at court having to spank our kids in front of a group of people, we need to start doing it at home. We as parents need to pay more attention to our kids and instill in them <strong>the importance of education</strong> and teach them discipline. Besides its the parents spanking the kids in court not anyone else. You as parents have a right to do that if you love your child and want him or her to grow up and become a good citizen. Believe me it will only take one good spanking for your child to know that you are serious about what&#8217;s good for them. Hey you&#8217;re even saving yourself $500 that you probably don&#8217;t have!</p><p
style="text-align: right; width: 75%; padding-left: 30px;">— N R, Los Fresnos</p><h3 style="padding-left: 30px;">Good for Judge Garza</h3><p
style="padding-left: 30px;">Lack of discipline is what is breaking down our society. Children will not learn, pay attention in class, or even attend class, as in this case, without proper discipline. The judge ordering the parents to &#8220;paddle&#8221; not beat the child is a clear indication that at least one judge realizes that a lot more parents need to take responsibility for their children&#8217;s discipline and not rely on the courts or the state for raising their children. Isn&#8217;t it interesting that these people can afford a lawyer to sue for tax payer dollars but they couldn&#8217;t afford to pay the $500 fine for their child&#8217;s truancy and instead oppted for the corporal punishment and are now crying foul. This is just another attempt to make a fast buck by milking the system. If we had more judges like Garza maybe some actual learning will take place in schools and the community would be a lot better off because <strong>this would raise the quality of life for everyone</strong>.</p><p
style="text-align: right; width: 75%; padding-left: 30px;">— Juan Ochoa, Hidalgo County</p><p>Aw heck, why don&#8217;t we just bring back the whip and the stocks while we&#8217;re at it? Nothing&#8217;s too good for our kids here in Texas!</p> <br
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